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Jesus a Buddha?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Rainbow Mage, Apr 1, 2010.

  1. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    I agree. In the first century though, there were varieties of Judaism which, some of them, were very different from modern/traditional Judaism.

    Some of these ancient forms of Judaism, or sect of Judaism, had been influenced by teachings of Zoroastrianism. There were still other forms that ignored those teachings, but not all of them.
     
  2. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish

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    Did any of the ancient sects of Judaism teach that Satan was a fallen angel though? The Essenes seem to have been heavily influenced by Zoroastrianism. Did they teach that?
     
  3. fallingblood

    fallingblood Agnostic Theist

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    Some sects did, or at least had the foundation for that belief to be built on. Some of the Hebrew Apocrypha even have stories of a character that would later be associated with Satan. I think it was found in that Maccabees, but I can't remember off hand.
     
  4. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish

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    You mean Samael? Samael is sometimes described as an advesary, like in the Apocalypse of Abraham, where he is shown to be tempting Abraham to worship him. Samael is traditionally the angel of death in Jewish and Muslim lore. You know Jews don't have the same ideas about advesary as Christians do with their devil, so can we be sure?
     
  5. LoTrobador

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    I think it would be Petrine, Markian and Pauline. :)

    I thought the New Testament canon was the same among all post-Nicene Churches, could you provide links referring to this inclusion of the Acts of Thomas into Thomasine Christians' canon?
     
  6. Sunstone

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    Most days, I think of Jesus as someone who had one or more poorly digested mystical experiences. Also, I believe he was born into a mystically impoverished culture that did little or nothing to help him understand his mystical experience(s). I don't think he was even close to being a Buddha.
     
  7. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish

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    I certainly don't think Jesus was fully enlightened. He may have attained a certain level of enlightenment. Anyone can attain a certain level. Very few attain full enlightenment.
     
  8. fantome profane

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    A slightly more modest theory proposes that Jesus may have been exposed to some of Buddhism’s teachings during his childhood in Egypt.

    However these theories are not only unsubstantiated but if you believe there is some truth to the teachings of Jesus or the Buddha then these theories are unnecessary. If these ideas that we are referring to are true then it is possible and reasonable that they were discovered independently. (and not only by these two we are discussing)
     
  9. fantome profane

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    And what do you think on the other days?
     
  10. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish

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    I think anyone can discover some level of the truth independentally. Yes it's possible Jesus discovered what he did without being aware of the Buddha's teachings. The Buddha never knew of Lao Tzu or Confucius either, and their teachings are all similar enough. Even Muhammad, to a certain degree, had some level of the truth, for he said that Allah (god) is nearer to a person then their own jugular vein.
     
  11. footprints

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    Had Jesus been born in Asia Minor, he would have indeed been referred to as a Buddha. Even without this, both Buddhism and Hinduism will still refer to Jesus in this way.

    Both Jesus and Buddha attained enlightenment, both spoke with the same voice and seen with the same eyes. Both were one, with the universe around them.

    Unlike modern day christian religions, where enlightenment is supposed to come down and drop on a person like some form of miracle, based on devotion and faith of belief. The path of enlightenment as left by Lord Jesus, has pretty much, remained untouched, since Jesus himself, walked the face of the earth. It is there, Jesus used it, but for some reason Christian based groups don't use it, and use devotion and faith instead.

    By my reasoning, I reckon that the Christian based religions would get more benefit from using the path of enlightenment Jesus left, and at the same time give the people of the congregation more than faith to rely on, then their current method of relying on devotion and blind faith. Each to their own I suppose, they would have their own reasoning for doing the way that they are.
     
  12. Rainbow Mage

    Rainbow Mage Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish

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    Well footprints even in Buddhism, Mahayana anyway, devotion and faith can get you to a certain level of enlightenment, but it cannot show you the entire picture. The gods cannot win your enlightenment for you, they can only help you on the path.
     
  13. paarsurrey

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    Jesus indeed was a Buddha for whom Buddha prophesied:
    The Buddha, in his prophecy, named his 'Bagwa Metteyya' because 'Bagwa' in Sanskrit means 'white', and Jesus being an inhabitant of the Syrian territory, was fair of skin.
    Jesus in India
    Regards
     
  14. psychoslice

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    Yes I think the man called Jesus was a man who was enlightened just as there are many today, and when one is enlightened, they take whatever from whatever has truth within it, be that Buddhism, Hinduism or whatever religion was around at the time of Jesus the man.
     
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    I think he was. I am glad you resurrected this, Paarsurrey.
     
  16. outhouse

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    No

    No

    Why would you assume such?

    There is no evidence he was anything but a Galilean peasant Jew who took over Johns movement when he was murdered and martyred after a violent death that generated mythology.
     
  17. Unveiled Artist

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    Yes. He is a Buddha. We are all Buddhas. He just realized it through His Faith in God. That was His enlightenment.
     
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  18. outhouse

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    Unsubstantiated rhetoric. :rolleyes:

    Provide credible sources.
     
  19. Unveiled Artist

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    He couldnt be a Boddhisttava. Boddhisatvas helped people help themselves out of suffering. They mirror The Buddha in how, throuh meditation, charity, and vocation. Jesus took suffering on Himself. He didnt help people from sufferring Himself but through His God.

    Buddha is internal salvation (inward out), Jesus used external salvation (outside in).

    He was enlightened as we all, but not a Boddhattava or follower of The Buddha.
     
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  20. arthra

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    For Baha'is Jesus and Buddha were Manifestations of God... We doubt Jesus made it to India however.
     
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