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Featured Jehovah's Witness' not learnt from Catholic church

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Altfish, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. lewisnotmiller

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    I'm not. I'm not planning on mentioning the JWs at all. I responded directly to a point concerning confessionals, only.
    Anyone espousing zero tolerance of the crime appears to be on the same side as me.
     
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    Only problem with your theory, is that nobody is compelled to confess the details of their sins. For instance, when one confesses that he has been "unchaste", it covers child molestation, masturbation, infidelity, prostitution, etc. You tell the priest how many times you were "unchaste", and he asks no questions, as it's really none of his business... All that matters, is that you confessed to GOD through him, and God knows...

    ...So only a fool would say in confession that he has: "sexually molested young children", especially if the seal of confession became state business. It's just wildly unnecessary.
     
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    Or they would just speak in generalities, knowing that God knows what they mean. That's what I always do anyways... I see no reason to go into detail, and it's much quicker that way too, which benefits everyone waiting in line behind you.

    To be honest, I doubt most priests even want to hear the details of our sins. Their main goal is absolving us... It's what they're there to do.
     
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  4. The Anointed

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    Why do you misrepresent the truth by saying that God sent out two bears and they were able to 'KILL' forty-two people? Wounded those who would attack God's chosen prophet, but not KILL them.

    Thank the Lord that we have such a protector.
     
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    That would be something if the State forced the Church to change Canon laws forcing penitents to go into all the details about their sins. :eek:
    ...Like names, times, dates, phone numbers -and then force priests to take notes on legal paper.
     
  6. lewisnotmiller

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    Heh...
    That's not the plan.
    More just if someone vouchsafes information to a priest about child abuse in a confessional, it's treated legally the same as telling a doctor or teacher.
    (Ie. They are required to report abuse to the authorities)
     
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    Thanks, but I'll give more weight to the Australian commission into priestly abuse that, after careful study, concluded that the change would do good than I will to the gut feeling of some random guy on the internet.

    Catholic church in Australia rejects law forcing priests to report child abuse confessions
     
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    Interesting point. These "lads" as some translations render the "children" who were attacked by the bears, were old enough to know not to ridicule a prophet of God. (2 Chronicles 36:15-16)

    When Isaac was taken to the mountain and God asked Abraham to sacrifice him, he was 25 years old, and the same word is used of him in that instance. These were not small children but young men, and it doesn't say that they were killed exactly, but ripped open as the word in Hebrew is translated. Some or all may have died...the account does not say specifically. But what it does it highlight that God takes a dim view of those who ridicule his servants. (2 Kings 1:10)

    What happened to those who treated God's appointed leader Moses, disrespectfully? (Numbers 16:23-33) I'm sure that Korah felt fully justified in his criticisms.....how did God feel?
     
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    I am sure that you are making up that they were surely going to attack the man. How do you know that? They were yelling at him! I think that a person will always die by being "torn apart".
     
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    Oh, please stop! They were not executed for disrespecting Moses. They were executed for disrespecting the will of Jehovah. And, you guys are the World's only hope???????????????
     
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    Anyone who would challenge God's prophet who was chosen to LEAD God's people for God's will be done would have DIVIDED the group. If they were intent on their mission they had to die so that God's people would be WHOLE. @Deeje @The Anointed

    You should know that! It is the very reason why the governing body makes such strict rules for the preserving of the One Mind.
     
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    I think it is a sad state of affairs that no church wants to know what was actually torn at 2 Kings 2:24.

    Exodus 14:21 Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea, and all that night the LORD drove the sea back with a strong east wind and turned it into dry land. The waters were divided,

    The same word.
     
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    Also, cursed is wrong. Strong's Hebrew: 7043. קָלַל (qalal) -- to be slight, swift or trifling

    3 trifling, i.e. of little account., of person, Genesis 16:4,5 (J; both with בְּעֵינֶיהָ; 1 Samuel 2:30 (opposed to אֲכַבֵּד).

    2 appear trifling, 1 Samuel 18:23 (בְּעֵינֵיכֶם; Infinitive subject, compare Dr), with מִן compare be too trifling Isaiah 49:6, especially of sin 1 Kings 16:31 (Infinitive subject), and (with מִן compare) Ezekiel 8:17; easy 2 Kings 3:18 (בְּעֵנַי), 2 Kings 20:10 (c. Infinitive), Proverbs 14:6; Participle (as substantive) with עַל in adverb phraseעַלנְֿקַלָּה lightly i.e. superficially, Jeremiah 6:14; Jeremiah 8:11.

    3 be lightly esteemed 2 Samuel 6:22 ("" שָׁפָל; opposed to אִכָּכֵ֑דָה).

    Pilpel, etc.) Arabic [​IMG] shake, [​IMG]: vibrate, whirl (of sword), [​IMG]: see be shaken; — SchwZAW xi (1891), 170 ff. thinks shakeoriginal, see מַקֵּל); —
     
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    Personally, I never “give weight” based on “who”. It just seems like a very bad idea.

    Always, verify for yourself and make decisions based on evidence and facts. Don’t be one of those people who trusts based on “who” said what.

    ...I was just thinking the other day how Brits were underestimated during Brexit... everyone thought they would just follow like sheeple -because ‘so and so’ said this and that... But they didn’t. :)
     
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    To the right of the CC is the Settings icon (a gear wheel). Left-click on the icon and options for cc will come up.



    ETA: Glad to see you got it working.
     
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    What's the alternative? Continued silence?

    If you are reading this, then perhaps other JW's are also reading it and possibly realizing they are not alone.
     
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    I've seen no reason to believe that you base your opinion on evidence or facts. This I why I disregard your opinion.
     
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    That misses the point I made. No abuser with an IQ higher than a frog will go to confession if priests do not have this "seal". Also, the priest may be able to talk the abuser into changing their ways and/or maybe even going to the police.
     
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    ... unless he thinks the fate of his immortal soul depends on him confession.

    They've had that option all along. How did it work out?
     
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    Define haters (by @Deeje): people who expose wrongdoing and only want justice for the victims.

    Jehovah's Witnesses expose wrongdoing and want justice. Correct?
     
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