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  1. The Anointed

    The Anointed Well-Known Member

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    According to the Jewish faith Jehoram the son of Ahab and Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat are two different people, but they are one and the same according to the scriptures.
     
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    Here is a nice chart of the kings of Israel and Judah and the prophets:

    https://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/study-bible/appendix-a/kings-of-judah/

    That and the next appendix after it in the Bible.

    There are 3 entries for Jehoram in the Biblical Encyclopedia Insight on the Scriptures:

    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002381

    The second entry notes the following:

    "Son of Ahab and Jezebel, who succeeded his older brother Ahaziah as the tenth king of the northern kingdom of Israel in about 917 B.C.E. He reigned 12 years. (2Ki 1:17, 18; 3:1; 9:22) This king of Israel should not be confused with the king of Judah by the same name, who was his brother-in-law. (See No. 3.) Though Jehoram removed the sacred pillar of Baal erected by his father, he continued to do “what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes,” clinging to calf worship instituted by Jeroboam.—1Ki 12:26-29; 16:33; 2Ki 3:2, 3."

    The 3rd entry has the following:

    "The firstborn son of Jehoshaphat who, at the age of 32, became king of Judah. (2Ch 21:1-3, 5, 20) It appears that for a number of years Jehoram was in some way associated with his father in the kingship. (2Ki 1:17; 8:16) The eight years of rulership credited to Jehoram count from 913 B.C.E. (2Ki 8:17) So during these years both the northern and southern kingdoms had rulers with the same name. They were also brothers-in-law because Jehoram of Judah married Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab and Jezebel and sister of Jehoram of Israel.—2Ki 8:18, 25, 26; see No. 2 above."

    Hope the links and the cited information helps.
     
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    ... much to the dismay of Ahab and Jehoshaphat!​

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    Does the subject bore you that much JH? Unlike yourself, I am interested in discovering the truths as revealed in the scriptures I experience a feeling of excitement every time a new truth is unearthed. But each to their own I suppose.
     
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    Very interesting. The history of Israel is fascinating.
     
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    The sources submitted by 'Eyes to see,' are incorrect. There never were two kings by the name of Jehoram, who ruled both Israel and Judah around the same time, but only one, and he was Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat, who had married Athaliah the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab, whose only biological son was Ahaziah, who should not be confused with Ahaziah the son of Jehoram and Athaliah the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab, who she named after her dead brother, and who ruled Judah for only one year.
     
  7. Eyes to See

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    Not only is the Bible correct, but you can see that the Bible shows they both died different deaths.

    The first, the son of Ahab, died at the hands of Jehu:

    "Jeʹhu took his bow in hand and shot Je·hoʹram between the shoulders, and the arrow came out at his heart, and he collapsed in his war chariot."-2 Kings 9:24.

    Jehoram, the son of Jehoshaphat died because of diseased intestines just as the true God Jehovah said would occur to him for his badness:

    "You will suffer with many sicknesses, including a disease of your intestines, until your intestines come out because of the disease, day after day...Some time later, when two full years had passed, his intestines came out because of his disease, and he died while suffering severely from his disease; and his people did not make a burning for him like the burning that was made for his forefathers."-2 Chronicles 21:15, 19.

    The Bible clearly shows that both kings of the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel, and the 2-tribe kingdom of Judah were different people. They had different fathers, and had different deaths, and reigned in different kingdoms.

    I of course respect your viewpoint of disbelief in the Bible. Many people do not believe in it. Yet it is in there, recorded, and is faithful and accurate.
     
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    Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat, who is one and the same as Jehoram the Son-in-law of Ahab, ruled Israel for 4 years before his Father Jehoshaphat the King of Judah died, after which he ruled Judah for 8 Years, thereby ruling Israel for 12 Years and Judah for 8 or those twelve years, before, because of a severe infection from a wound received in warfare, he abdicated the throne of Judah, in favor of his son Ahaziah, who ruled Judah for one year before both Jehoram and his son Ahaziah were killed by Jehu, who then became the King of Israel.

    When Athaliah, the wife of Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat, and the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab, and mother Athaliah, learnt of her son's murder, she gave orders for all the members of the royal family of Judah to be killed. Ahaziah, (The King of Judah) had a half-sister, Jehosheba, who was married to a priest named Jehoiada. She secretly rescued one of Ahaziah's sons, Joash, and took him away from the other princes who were about to be murdered and hid him and a nurse in a bedroom at the Temple. By keeping him hidden, she saved him from death at the hands of Athaliah. For six years he remained there in hiding, while Athaliah the wife of Jehoram, and daughter of Ahab and Jezebel, ruled as queen in Jerusalem.

    After six years, Joash the Great Grandson of Ahab was made King of Judah, and his grandmother Athaliah was dragged to the palace in Jerusalem and there she was killed at the horse gate.
     
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    The Bible clearly states that Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab (ruler of the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) was given to Jehoram, the king of Judah, she did not marry her brother Jehoram who ruled after his father's death.

    "In the 12th year of Je·hoʹram the son of Aʹhab the king of Israel, A·ha·ziʹah the son of King Je·hoʹram of Judah became king. 26 A·ha·ziʹah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned for one year in Jerusalem. His mother’s name was Ath·a·liʹah the granddaughter of King Omʹri of Israel. 27 He walked in the way of the house of Aʹhab and kept doing what was bad in Jehovah’s eyes, like the house of Aʹhab, for he was related to the house of Aʹhab by marriage."-2 Kings 8:25-27.

    There was also another Ahaziah, son of Ahab who ruled the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel for 2 years:

    "A·ha·ziʹah the son of Aʹhab became king over Israel in Sa·marʹi·a in the 17th year of King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Judah, and he reigned over Israel for two years."-1 Kings 22:51.

    If you see the quotes I shared with you earlier, not only are both Jehorams separate people, they died separate deaths. Again please read a little slower and notice that two seperate people are dying different deaths, although they are both named Jehoram and are kings:

    "Jeʹhu took his bow in hand and shot Je·hoʹram between the shoulders, and the arrow came out at his heart, and he collapsed in his war chariot."-2 Kings 9:24.

    Jehoram, the son of Jehoshaphat died because of diseased intestines just as the true God Jehovah said would occur to him for his badness:

    "You will suffer with many sicknesses, including a disease of your intestines, until your intestines come out because of the disease, day after day.
    Then Jehovah stirred up against Je·hoʹram...Some time later, when two full years had passed, his intestines came out because of his disease, and he died while suffering severely from his disease; and his people did not make a burning for him like the burning that was made for his forefathers."-2 Chronicles 21:15, 16, 19.
     
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    Here is the chart:

    Chart of King 1.jpg
     
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    In this scripture we see two brothers, sons of Ahab are kings. The first, Ahaziah, ruled the 10-tribe kingdom of Isreal for 2 years. Since he died with no children his brother Jehoram, the son of Ahab became king:

    "So he died, according to the word of Jehovah that E·liʹjah had spoken; and because he did not have a son, Je·hoʹram became king in his place, in the second year of Je·hoʹram the son of Je·hoshʹa·phat the king of Judah.  As for the rest of the history of A·ha·ziʹah, what he did, is it not written in the book of the history of the times of the kings of Israel?"-2 Kings 1:17, 18.

    Notice, that while the son of Jehosaphat named Jehoram was ruling as king of Judah, according to this scripture, Jehoram, the son of Ahab, the brother of Ahaziah (another son of Ahab and king for 2 years) began to rule in Israel.

    You stated that Ahab only had one son and that was Ahaziah. But look at what the Bible says:

    "Je·hoʹram the son of Aʹhab became king over Israel in Sa·marʹi·a in the 18th year of King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Judah, and he reigned for 12 years"-2 Kings 3:1.


    So your statement that there were not two Jehorams ruling at the same time, and that Ahab didn't have a son named Jehoram is clearly false according to the Bible. Read the scripture. It clearly states that two Jehorams are ruling at the same time.

    "Then Je·hoshʹa·phat was laid to rest with his forefathers and was buried with his forefathers in the City of David; and his son Je·hoʹram became king in his place. 2 His brothers, Je·hoshʹa·phat’s sons, were Az·a·riʹah, Je·hiʹel, Zech·a·riʹah, Az·a·riʹah, Miʹcha·el, and Sheph·a·tiʹah; all of these were the sons of King Je·hoshʹa·phat of Israel. 3 And their father had given them many gifts in silver and gold, and valuable things, along with fortified cities in Judah; but he gave the kingdom to Je·hoʹram, for he was the firstborn."-2 Chronicles 21:1-3.

    So we see here king Jehosaphat had 7 sons. Jehoram became king because he was the firstborn.

    So there is a Jehoram, son of Ahab according to 2 Kings 3:1. And there is a Jehoram, firstborn of Jehoshaphat, according to 2 Chronicles 21:1-3.

    I am repeating this all because it seems you have either not read any of this, or are having an extremely difficult time understanding these scriptures.

    Again we see two different people reigning over two separate kingdoms. And as we saw before both of them were bad, and both of them were put to death by Jehovah, in different ways.

    Jehoram, the son of Ahab, was put to death by Jehu.
    Jehoram, the son of Jehosaphat, was killed by a disease of the intestines.

    They both had separate fathers, ruled over separate kingdoms, ruled during the same time, and died different kinds of deaths at the hands of Jehovah for their badness.


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    I actually just took the time to post a lot of the scriptures that were posted in my original statement for you. You claimed it was incorrect. So either you obviously have not read the scriptures before, don't understand what you are reading, or are lying for some reason. I don't know what it is.

    I am going to assume you have some difficulty with understanding. So these scriptures that actually state they are separate people is hard for you to comprehend.

    If, for some unfathomable reason you still refuse to believe the Bible saying they were two separate people, explain how the Bible says that both of them died separate deaths.

    Explain how one person dies two separate ways in two different kingdoms.
     
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    Response to Post #11.

    Jehoram/Jerom, the son of Ahab who ruled Israel for 12 years, and Jehoram/Jerom son of Jehoshaphat, who had married Athaliah the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab, and sister to Ahaziah, who had ruled the land of Judah for eight years, are one and the same person.

    2 Kings 1: 17; So he (Ahaziah) died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram began to reign in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son.

    2 Kings 1: 17; Contradicts the scriptures, which state that Jehoshaphat, began his reign in Jerusalem at the age of 35, in the 4th year of Ahab’s 22 years reign of Israel in Samaria. 18 years later in the year of Ahab’s death, Jehoshaphat was only 53. After the death of Ahaziah the son of Ahab, who had ruled Israel for two years, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, was 55/56.

    According to 2 Kings 8:16, Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) became king of Judah in the fifth year of Jehoram of Israel. This would make it seem that Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) was ruling in Jerusalem 4 years before the death of his father ‘Jehoshaphat.’

    Jehoshaphat, who had begun his 25 year rule of Judah at the age of 35, was 60 when he died, and it was after Jehoram (The son-in-law to Ahab) had ruled Israel for 4 years, when, early in his fifth year reign, Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat ascended to the throne of his father in the land of Judah, which he ruled for 8 years. 4+8=12.

    2 Kings 1: 17 should read; “Because Ahaziah had no son, when he died in the second year of his reign, his brother-in-law, Jehoram, the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah, and son-in-law to Ahab, began to rule Israel from Samaria, and after ruling there for four years, his Father Jehoshaphat died and he succeeded to the throne in Jerusalem where he ruled both Israel and Judah for another eight years, 4+8=12, before He and his son ‘Ahaziah’ who was named after his brother-in-law, were both killed by Jehu, who became the King of Israel.

    While Athaliah, the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab, after killing all her grandsons, who had been sired by her son ‘Ahaziah,’ except for the baby Joash, became the Queen of Judah, ruling from Jerusalem for 5/6 years.

    2 Kings 11: 1-16; As soon as King Ahaziah's mother Athaliah learnt of her son's murder, she gave orders for all the members of the royal family of Judah to be killed. Ahaziah, (The King of Judah) had a half-sister, Jehosheba, who was married to a priest named Jehoiada. She secretly rescued one of Ahaziah's sons, Joash, took him away from the other princes who were about to be murdered and hid him and a nurse in a bedroom at the Temple. By keeping him hidden, she saved him from death at the hands of Athaliah. For six years he remained there in hiding, while Athaliah ruled as queen, in Jerusalem.

    After six years, Joash the Great Grandson of Ahab was made King of Judah, and his grandmother Athaliah was dragged to the palace in Jerusalem and there she was killed at the horse gate.

    One has to meander through the mine field of misinformation in order to find the truth, and for those who are on a quest for truth, the following may be of some interest.

    There never were two kings by the name of Jehoram, who ruled both Israel and Judah around the same time, but only one, and he was Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat, who had married Athaliah the daughter of Jezebel and Ahab.

    1 Kings 22: 41-42; Jehoshaphat became King of Judah at age 35, and died after ruling for 25 years at the age of 60. In the same year Jehoram his son began ruling at the age of 32. .. . . . . . 60 minus 32=28. Revealing that Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat was born when his father was 28. This was seven years before Jehoshaphat turned 35 in the 4th year of Ahab’s 22 years reign. Revealing that Jehoram son of Jehoshaphat was born in the reign of Omri, some 3 years before Ahab became King of Israel.

    Jehoram was 32 when he succeeded to his father’s throne and ruled 8 years until he was forty when his son, Ahaziah ascended to his throne at the age of 22: revealing that Jehoram was 18 when his son Ahaziah was born.

    At the age of eighteen, Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat sired Ahaziah the son of Athaliah, who named her son after her brother, Ahaziah the son of Ahab.

    Ahaziah the son of Jehoram would have been 14, when his father at the age of 32 became King of Judah, and 8 years later, he would have been 22 when he ascended to the throne in Jerusalem after his father Jehoram had ruled Judah for 8 years

    At the death of Ahab, who ruled Israel for twenty-two years, Jehoshaphat, who began his reign in Jerusalem in the fourth year of Ahab’s reign at the age of 35, would have been 53, while his son Jehoram was in his late twenty-forth year.

    Ahaziah, the brother-in-law of Jehoram, then ruled Israel for two years before he too died, and the 26 years old Jehoram, son-in-law to Ahab, whose father Jehoshaphat was then 55/56, ruled Israel for 4/5 years until his Father Jehoshaphat died at the age of 60.

    Jehoram the Son-in-law of Ahab then succeeded his father Jehoshaphat and ruled Judah for 8 years, and after ruling Israel for 12 Years, and Judah for 8 of those 12 years, his son Ahaziah the grandson of Ahab, at the age of 22, was given the throne of his father, who was in Jezreel suffering from a terrible stomach infection, that was caused from a wound that he had suffered in war.

    2 Kings 9: 14-16; Then Jehu plotted against King Jehoram, who was in Jezreel, where he had gone to recover from the wounds which he had received in the battle at Ramoth against King Hazael of Syria.

    So, Jehu said to his fellow-officers, “If you are with me, make sure that no one slips out of Ramoth to go and warn the people in Jezreel.” 16Then he got into his chariot and set off for Jezreel. Jehoram had still not recovered, and King Ahaziah of Judah was there, visiting him.

    After ruling Judah for one year, Ahaziah went to Jezreel to visit his sick father and it was there that Jehu Killed the sick Jehoram.

    His son Ahaziah, instead of fleeing back to Jerusalem where the people hated his father, according to 2 Chronicles 22: 9; Ahaziah fled to Samaria where he felt safer among the Israelite officials of his father Jehoram, but they gave him up to Jehu, as they did the seventy Descendants of Ahab who were living in Samaria, whose heads the Israelite officials severed from their bodies and presented them to Jehu in Jezreel.

    And yet according to 2 Kings 9: 27; After his father Jehoram was killed, the fleeing Ahaziah was badly wounded by Jehu’s men, but kept going until he reached Megiddo, were he died.

    But out of respect for his grandfather Jehoshaphat who had done all he could to serve the Lord, they buried the body of Ahaziah in the Royal tombs in David’s City. See 2 Kings 9: 24. And 2 Chronicles 22: 8.

    And although Jehu had Jehoram’s body thrown into the field that had belonged to Naboth in order to fulfill the Lord’s promise, undoubtedly, the officials from Jerusalem, out of respect for his father Jehoshaphat, would have buried his body also.

    2 Chronicles 21: 20; Jehoram had become king at the age of thirty-two and had ruled in Jerusalem for eight years. Nobody was sorry when he died. They buried him in David's City, but not in the royal tombs.

    Strange is it not, that these supposedly different kings of Israel and Judah by the name Jehoram, both died after Ahaziah had ruled in Jerusalem for one year, some 8/9 years after the death of Jehoram’s father, Jehoshaphat King of Judah?

    The war between King Hazael and Jehoram the king of Judah, is the same war in which Jehoram King of Israel was wounded and suffered a horrendous stomach infection.

    2 Chronicles 21: 20; Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) had become king at the age of 32 and had ruled in Jerusalem for eight years. Nobody was sorry when he died. They buried him in David's City, but not in the royal tombs.

    Contradicts, 2 Kings 8: 24; Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) died and was buried in the royal tombs in David's City, and his son Ahaziah succeeded him as king.

    From Wikipedia…… The name Jehoram is confusing in the biblical account. The author of Kings speaks of both Jehoram of Israel and Jehoram of Judah in the same passage, and both reigned at the same time. Both Jehorams are also referred to as Joram, even in the same translation in the same breath. For example, 2 Chronicles 22:5–6 reads:

    5 He walked also after their counsel, and went with Jehoram the son of Ahab king of Israel to war against Hazael king of Aram at Ramoth-gilead; and the Arameans wounded Joram.

    6 And he returned to be healed in Jezreel of the wounds which they had given him at Ramah, when he fought against Hazael king of Aram. And Azariah the son of Jehoram king of Judah went down to see Jehoram the son of Ahab in Jezreel, because he was sick.

    Likewise, the king of Judah is referred to as Jehoram or Joram in a single translation. For example, 2 Kings 8:20–21 uses the name Joram while 2 Chronicles 21:8–9, which describe the same event in almost identical words, uses the name Jehoram.
     
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    Your very first statement is a contradiction. You say they are children of two separate fathers and are the same person.

    You still didn't state how they could have both died different deaths either.

    In any event I am quite satisfied you are not interested in the truth from the Bible. To reason with you at this point would be banging the head against the wall.
     
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    Eyes to see wrote……. The Bible clearly states that Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab (ruler of the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) was given to Jehoram, the king of Judah, she did not marry her brother Jehoram who ruled after his father's death.

    The Bible clearly states that Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab (ruler of the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) was given to Jehoram, the 17 years old son of Jehoshaphat the king of Judah, she did not marry her brother Jehoram, as her brother Ahaziah had no brothers or sons who could rule after his death.

    2 Kings 8: 16; After the death of his father Jehoshaphat, and at the age of 32, Jehoram became king of Judah he ruled Judah for 8 years before the grandson of Ahab, 'Ahaziah,' who was named after his mother’s brother, was made King in his father’s stead. 32+8=40.

    Revealing that Jehoram was 40 years old when Ahaziah, the grandson of Ahab, at the age of 22 began to rule in Judah. 40-22=18. Now you know that Jehoram was only 18 when his son Ahaziah was born.

    14 years after the birth of his son, Jehoram, at the age of 32, became King of Judah, and you in your ignorance to the truth as revealed in the scriptures, say, ‘The Bible clearly states that Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab (ruler of the 10-tribe kingdom of Israel) was given to Jehoram, the king of Judah, she did not marry her brother Jehoram who ruled after his father's death.’ When Jehoram does not become King of Judah for some 14 to 15 years after Athaliah, the daughter of Ahab had been given to the young 17/18 years old son of Jehoshaphat the King of Judah.

    But we have visitors for the weekend, and I cannot be sitting in front of the computer, until they leave, so, “I’LL BE BACK.”
     
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    Eyes to see said...... To reason with you at this point would be banging the head against the wall.

    Sorry mate, but never did I say Jehoram had two different fathers. Jehoram, the son of Jehoshaphat, and the father of Ahab’s grandchildren, is seen as the Son of Ahab, and began to rule Israel after the death of his wife’s brother, when the grandson of Ahab, ‘Ahaziah’ was 14 years old, but it was not the grandson of Ahab who received the throne of Israel, but his father Jehoram.

    1 Kings 22: 41; ‘In the 4th years of the (22 year) reign of Ahab king of Israel, Jehoshophat son of Asa became king of Judah at the age of 35, and he reigned in Jerusalem for 25 years. 35+25=60.

    At the death of Ahab, who ruled Israel for twenty-two years, Jehoshaphat, who began his reign in Jerusalem in the fourth year of Ahab’s reign at the age of 35, would have been 53/54, Ahaziah, the son of Ahab ruled Israel for 2 years before he died, after which, Jehoram began to rule Israel when Jehosaphat King of Judah. was 56.

    Jehoshaphat the King of Judah, died 4 years later at the age of 60. Jehoram then began his 8 years rule of Judah.

    Jehoram had ruled Israel for 4 years before Jehoram began his 8 years rule of Judah. 4+8=12.

    Jehoram ruled Israel for 12 Years. Jehoram ruled Judah for 8 of the 12 years rule of Jehoram King of Israel.

    If you have not yet begun to see the truth, then you should change your forum name to. “Eyes that cannot see.”

    Hebrew bible; 2 Kings 1: 17; So he (Ahaziah) died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram began to reign in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son....... Unlike the English bibles, the Hebrew bible makes no mention of Jehoram being the brother of Ahaziah.

    יז וַיָּמָת כִּדְבַר יְהוָה אֲשֶׁר-דִּבֶּר אֵלִיָּהוּ, וַיִּמְלֹךְ יְהוֹרָם תַּחְתָּיו, {פ}

    בִּשְׁנַת שְׁתַּיִם, לִיהוֹרָם בֶּן-יְהוֹשָׁפָט מֶלֶךְ יְהוּדָה: כִּי לֹא-הָיָה לוֹ, בֵּן. {ס}

    Hebrew bible 2 Kings 1: 17; So he died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram began to reign in his stead in the second year of Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; because he had no son.

    Even a blind person can see that the above, contradicts the scriptures, which state that Jehoshaphat, began his reign in Jerusalem at the age of 35, in the 4th year of Ahab’s 22 years reign of Israel in Samaria. 18 years later in the year of Ahab’s death, Jehoshaphat was only 53/54. After the death of Ahaziah the son of Ahab, who had ruled Israel for two years, Jehoshaphat the father of Jehoram, was only 55/56, and it was not until he died 4 years later at the age of 60, that his son ‘Jehoram’ began his 8 year rule as king of Judah.

    2 Kings 1: 17; should read; So he (Ahaziah the son of Ahab) died according to the word of the LORD which Elijah had spoken. And Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat king of Judah; began to reign in his stead in the second year (Of Ahaziah’s Reign), because he (Ahaziah) had no son.

    You have said that I am not interested in the truth from the bible. Assuming that you are interested in the truth from the bible, tell me which of these do you believe to be the truth.

    RSV…. 2 Chronicles 22: 2; Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem. His mother's name also was Athaliah the granddaughter of Omri….. This is Ahaziah the son of Jehoram and Athaliah.

    Or, RSV……. 2 Kings 8: 25-26; In the twelfth year of Joram son of Ahab king of Israel, Ahaziah son of Jehoram king of Judah began to reign. Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year. His mother's name was Athaliah, a granddaughter of Omri king of Israel.

    What do you believe old mate? Was Ahaziah the son of Jehoram, 42 or 22 when he began to reign in Jerusalem?

    Good news Bible Catholic Study Edition... 2 Chronicles 21: 20; Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) had become king at the age of 32 and had ruled in Jerusalem for eight years. Nobody was sorry when he died. They buried him in David's City, but not in the royal tombs.

    Or, Good news Bible Catholic Study Edition... 2 Kings 8: 24; Jehoram (The son of Jehoshaphat) died and was buried in the royal tombs in David's City, and his son Ahaziah succeeded him as king.

    What do you believe old mate? Was Jehoram, buried in the royal tombs, or was he not buried in the royal tombs?

    Mate, I am going to lead you through a minefield of misinformation and scriptures that contradict each other. After which you will be forced to reject the words of the Lord all together, or do as I have done, and sort out the wheat from the weeds, the truth, from the erroneous.
     
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    Hello @The Anointed any chance for an answer to my question?
    Where is this written?
     
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    It is written in the scriptures for all who have eyes to see.

    Go back and read the previous posts.
     
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    Really? Then your OP is very confusing. You said:
    According to the Jewish faith Jehoram the son of Ahab and Jehoram the son of Jehoshaphat are two different people, but they are one and the same according to the scriptures.​
    To which I asked: how do you that the Jewish faith says this about the two Jehorams?
    To which you answered:
    It is written in the scriptures for all who have eyes to see.​
    So why did you write in your OP that the two Jehorams are one and the same according to scripture, if according to you, the scripture says the Jewish faith's view is the correct one?
     
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