January 6th, Just What Was It?

[It Aint Necessarily So]

they certainly milked it for all the political gain they could achieve.

The political gain was a byproduct of the process, not its mission. It's mission was to investigate the events surrounding January 6th, generate a report for posterity and the American people, and if crimes were identified, make referrals to the Department of Justice. That's what they did, and nothing more. There was nothing political or partisan about the process apart from the Republican response, which was ineffectual except where it was counterproductive for them.

It was an early display of McCarthy's incompetence that hurt the Republican's ability to inject a partisan aspect to the process, and no doubt a big part of him needing 15 votes and a boatload of concessions to become Speaker. Because of Mccarthy's ham-handedness, ahead of the hearings, the GOP didn't know what the committee had, couldn't prepare competent defenses for Trump, couldn’t influence the direction of the investigation, couldn’t ask contrary questions during public or private proceedings, couldn’t leak anything, and couldn’t dilute the panel’s findings in advance of the public presentations or the final report. And that's what kept the process apolitical.

Can any of you insurrection apologists explain why you want this process marginalized? I don't understand any of you. Like Trump and most of the Republican party, you must not value democracy. And unlike the committee members, if you want the perpetrators involved excused, you must not respect the rule of law. Ask yourself why your values and agenda are so different from the committee members' and the rest of us. What do you actually stand for besides your religion, which values are apparently failing you here?

 

[Colt]

Armed does not necessarily mean carrying guns. Armed means carrying weapons. So yes, it was an armed mob:

Definition of ARMED

furnished with weapons; also : using or involving a weapon; furnished with something that provides security, strength, or efficacy; marked by the maintenance of armed forces in readiness… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

A real insurrection would have been really armed, not technically armed.

 

[F1fan]

A real insurrection would have been really armed, not technically armed.

Then perhaps you can see that strict guns laws are an advantage to society. Aren't you glad there were no more guns being carried, and thus no massive shootouts?

 

[Subduction Zone]

A real insurrection would have been really armed, not technically armed.

Yeah, because knives are not deadly.

Tueller Drill - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I wouldn't have let him have all that freedom. I think what bothered me the most was when the police checked the door to see if it was locked. Why didn't they let him check the door?

He didn't have full freedom. He was under the escort of officers. The focus on the trivial or the contrived footage of one man does not capitulate what was an insurrection. This was not a group of people looting Best Buy on a chance opportunity or taking in the sights.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I wouldn't have let him have all that freedom. I think what bothered me the most was when the police checked the door to see if it was locked. Why didn't they let him check the door?

Given that they were outnumbered in the broader situation and they wanted to deescalate conditions, what were they supposed to do?

 

[Subduction Zone]

He didn't have full freedom. He was under the escort of officers. The focus on the trivial or the contrived footage of one man does not capitulate what was an insurrection. This was not a group of people looting Best Buy on a chance opportunity or taking in the sights.

Well the rioters did loot the Capitol too while they were there. Excuse me for using a right wing source:

Pro-Trump mob caught looting items during Capitol building siege

Shocking images showed the pro-President Trump mob that invaded the US Capitol ransacking its historic decor — grabbing everything from a podium to chairs. After storming the legislative home…

nypost.com

 

[Subduction Zone]

Given that they were outnumbered in the broader situation and they wanted to deescalate conditions, what were they supposed to do?

You can't win for losing when it comes to deniers of reality. They both complain that the police were too nice when they tried to deescalate or mislead the rioters and they were too violent the one time that they were forced to shoot a member of an armed mob. The ability to reason rationally appears to have totally abandoned them.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Armed does not necessarily mean carrying guns. Armed means carrying weapons. So yes, it was an armed mob:

Definition of ARMED

furnished with weapons; also : using or involving a weapon; furnished with something that provides security, strength, or efficacy; marked by the maintenance of armed forces in readiness… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I'm confused about this point. Is this about the mob storming the Capitol on January 6th?

 

[Dan From Smithville]

You can't win for losing when it comes to deniers of reality. They both complain that the police were too nice when they tried to deescalate or mislead the rioters and they were too violent the one time that they were forced to shoot a member of an armed mob. The ability to reason rationally appears to have totally abandoned them.

When people want everything their way, nothing will appease them except total capitulation to even the most outrageous claims. Clearly that guy in the photo with the lectern was doing what any reasonable, rational visitor to the Capitol would do. A guy dressed like a buffalo should be free to enter the Capitol at any time and roam where he likes. Who hasn't smeared feces inside government buildings. I thought you had to bring guns for a tour. Isn't threatening to hang Mike Pence or threatening to kill Nancy Pelosi something school groups do?

It gets more ridiculous with each telling.

 

[Windwalker]

When people want everything their way, nothing will appease them except total capitulation to even the most outrageous claims. Clearly that guy in the photo with the lectern was doing what any reasonable, rational visitor to the Capitol would do. A guy dressed like a buffalo should be free to enter the Capitol at any time and roam where he likes. Who hasn't smeared feces inside government buildings. I thought you had to bring guns for a tour. Isn't threatening to hang Mike Pence or threatening to kill Nancy Pelosi something school groups do?

It gets more ridiculous with each telling.

It sounds like any peaceful Christian group out on a field trip to the state capitol any given weekend, to me. And by the way, that wasn't bear spray, it was blessings by children with holy water. And those weren't feces. Someone had a melted chocolate bar they got on their hands and accidently touched the wall.

What you see on the news of all that violence is just fake videos made by antifia to make the right look like a bunch of out of control brainwashed lunatics. None of it really happened. The moon landing was faked too. That was antifa too.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It sounds like any peaceful Christian group out on a field trip to the state capitol any given weekend, to me. And by the way, that wasn't bear spray, it was blessings by children with holy water. And those weren't feces. Someone had a melted chocolate bar they got on their hands and accidently touched the wall.

What you see on the news of all that violence is just fake videos made by antifia to make the right look like a bunch of out of control brainwashed lunatics. None of it really happened. The moon landing was faked too. That was antifa too.

I knew it!

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

I don't think I said that

It sure seemed that way.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

View attachment 72818

A pastor from our area that some people know. The report was that he wasn't even in the Capitol - but was in the rally. As the statement goes by him--they charged him because he had credit card receipts of having been at Washington DC

It was more than just credit card receipts. There are witness statements that place him in the Capitol with the rest of the insurrectionists.

If you don't think a religious leader or a minister is capable of committing crimes, you should ask someone like Stephen Michael Addison what they think about that. Except you can't. He's dead.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm confused about this point. Is this about the mob storming the Capitol on January 6th?

It is about the "unarmed" woman that was shot. She was part of an armed mob.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

View attachment 72818

A pastor from our area that some people know. The report was that he wasn't even in the Capitol - but was in the rally. As the statement goes by him--they charged him because he had credit card receipts of having been at Washington DC

If that's what he said, then he's a liar.

Click through to the linked documents and you can find photos from security cameras and police body cameras showing that he was in the Capitol building.

He'll have his day in court and all that, but all indications are that your friend is a traitor.

CUSICK Jr., James Varnell

www.justice.gov

 

[dybmh]

View attachment 72818

A pastor from our area that some people know. The report was that he wasn't even in the Capitol - but was in the rally. As the statement goes by him--they charged him because he had credit card receipts of having been at Washington DC

I'm sorry, my friend. It's actually much more than that. I'm not sure where you got the info that they only charged him based on CC receipts, but that's not true. They have him, and his son, inside the capitol building. Click on the link for the "charging documents". They have his phone's GPS putting him inside the building. They have pictures of both of them that day outside the capitol building. They have a CCtv image of both them in the building wearing the same clothes as the pictures taken of them outside. The pictures are in the charging docs, you can look at them yourself.

This is why it was important to look at the raw data for yourself. The FBI is charging people based on real evidence.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm sorry, my friend. It's actually much more than that. I'm not sure where you got the info that they only charged him based on CC receipts, but that's not true. They have him, and his son, inside the capitol building. Click on the link for the "charging documents". They have his phone's GPS putting him inside the building. They have pictures of both of them that day outside the capitol building. They have a CCtv image and a bodycam image of both them in the building wearing the same clothes as the pictures taken of them outside. The pictures are in the charging docs, you can look at them yourself.

This is why it was important to look at the raw data for yourself. The FBI is charging people based on real evidence.

There were some naked rioters that needed to call their mothers.

Sounds reasonable to me

 

[Kenny]

I'm sorry, my friend. It's actually much more than that. I'm not sure where you got the info that they only charged him based on CC receipts, but that's not true. They have him, and his son, inside the capitol building. Click on the link for the "charging documents". They have his phone's GPS putting him inside the building. They have pictures of both of them that day outside the capitol building. They have a CCtv image of both them in the building wearing the same clothes as the pictures taken of them outside. The pictures are in the charging docs, you can look at them yourself.

This is why it was important to look at the raw data for yourself. The FBI is charging people based on real evidence.

thanks for the update.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

It is about the "unarmed" woman that was shot. She was part of an armed mob.

Thank you. That clears it up. I am unaware that armed mobs will let the people they are storming do polls to learn who actually has weapons and who does not. If I were unarmed and part of an armed mob that I was using as my weapon while rushing the police and attempting to overthrow the government, getting shot for that would be on me.

I don't think that any of the participants of that insurrection would have thought twice about shooting her or bothered to check if she was armed if they caught her trying to squeeze through a broken window of their homes.