I've something to say regarding the "MAGA teen" controversy.

[Father Heathen]

I just wanted to admit that I had made a fool of myself by jumping to conclusions on this incident, and that I owe @Landon Caeli, @Nowhere Man, and the rest of the forum an apology.

Sorry everyone, you all deserve better from me.

 

[Cooky]

I just wanted to admit that I had made a fool of myself by jumping to conclusions on this incident, and that I owe @Landon Caeli, @Nowhere Man, and the rest of the forum an apology.

Sorry everyone, you all deserve better from me.

That was a really noble thing to say, Fr. Heathen, and I highly respect you as a person. But I don't think you made a fool of yourself, because so many respectable sources were also mislead...

Your opinions are valued, and I enjoy reading them, even when I disagree.

 

[Sunstone]

My already high esteem for you, @Father Heathen, just rose a notch or two further. Everyone is wrong about something now and then, and any stubborn mule can dig in their hoofs and refuse to budge one bit when they're wrong. That's normal. Takes something more to change your mind based on the evidence and place the truth above your own ego. Good for you, FH!

 

[Duke_Leto]

So have I, @Landon Caeli.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I just wanted to admit that I had made a fool of myself by jumping to conclusions on this incident, and that I owe @Landon Caeli, @Nowhere Man, and the rest of the forum an apology.

Sorry everyone, you all deserve better from me.

Your cool. :O)

Wouldn't be debate if you didn't have a little bit of smack between debaters. Heh..

Apology gladly accepted (although you really didn't need to). You're always a welcome opponent and from time to time as an ally on the many various subjects that get discussed and debated here.

So get those chinks hammered and buffed out of yer knightly armor and see you out there as both ally and foe on the debating and discussion battlefield!

 

[Revoltingest]

I just wanted to admit that I had made a fool of myself by jumping to conclusions on this incident, and that I owe @Landon Caeli, @Nowhere Man, and the rest of the forum an apology.

Sorry everyone, you all deserve better from me.

I can only hope that I would be as courageous
& gracious If I ever made a mistake.

 

[columbus]

hose chinks hammered and buffed

On behalf of @Audie, I am offended mightily!
Tom

 

[Audie]

On behalf of @Audie, I am offended mightily!
Tom

This is the worst thing I ever have experienced. Could not even
capitalize it. Woe is me.

Signed

The Mightily Miffed Microchinkette

 

[columbus]

This is the worst thing I ever have experienced.

I wouldn't wish internet death threats on him. But I would be good with a big name band writing a hit song making fun of him.
Tom

 

[Father Heathen]

But I don't think you made a fool of yourself, because so many respectable sources were also mislead...

It's not just that I was mislead, but that I was guilty of the very things I so often criticize others for, such as blindly trusting claims and reacting to them in a knee-jerk fashion, etc.
As for being mislead, this incident and how it was handled by the media only serve to lend credence to the cries of "fake news".
If the truth is on your side/your side stands for truth, then it shouldn't be necessary for you to resort to deception and manipulation to further your cause. Furthermore, if you're routinely and genuinely maligned and marginalized, then it shouldn't be necessary to play up or fabricate instances of victimhood.
The story keeps changing, but last I heard the group of teens were being antagonized, unprovoked, by a BLM group who were accusing them of being bigots while at the exact same time harassing them with racist and homophobic slurs.
Of course, your typical SJW types double down and ignore the dishonesty and hypocrisy. I feel dirty having been a part of it.

 

[Curious George]

It's not just that I was mislead, but that I was guilty of the very things I so often criticize others for, such as blindly trusting claims and reacting to them in a knee-jerk fashion, etc.
As for being mislead, this incident and how it was handled by the media only serve to lend credence to the cries of "fake news".
If the truth is on your side/your side stands for truth, then it shouldn't be necessary for you to resort to deception and manipulation to further your cause. Furthermore, if you're routinely and genuinely maligned and marginalized, then it shouldn't be necessary to play up or fabricate instances of victimhood.
The story keeps changing, but last I heard the group of teens were being antagonized, unprovoked, by a BLM group who were accusing them of being bigots while at the exact same time harassing them with racist and homophobic slurs.
Of course, your typical SJW types double down and ignore the dishonesty and hypocrisy. I feel dirty having been a part of it.

As one of the only "SJWs" on this forum, i would note that I did not make any conclusive leaps or even take any sides. Consequently, i would assert tjat SJWs showed reserve and only non SJWs took the bait.

 

[Father Heathen]

As one of the only "SJWs" on this forum, i would note that I did not make any conclusive leaps or even take any sides. Consequently, i would assert tjat SJWs showed reserve and only non SJWs took the bait.

How are you defining "social justice warrior"?

 

[columbus]

As one of the only "SJWs" on this forum,

You're not even in the top 10.

i would note that I did not make any conclusive leaps or even take any sides.

Exactly my point.

Consequently, i would assert tjat SJWs showed reserve and only non SJWs took the bait.

A false premise will result in a faulty conclusion.
Tom

 

[Curious George]

How are you defining "social justice warrior"?

Is there really any definition?

 

[Curious George]

You're not even in the top 10.


Exactly my point.


A false premise will result in a faulty conclusion.
Tom

Or bad terms will lead to bad reasoning. Take your pick.

 

[columbus]

Is there really any definition?

Is there really a definition of hero, god, truth, feminist, male, bigot, liberal, criminal, religion, white, Christian, healthy, libertarian, westerner, mental illness, native.....

Or anything else of importance?
Tom

 

[Revoltingest]

Columbus is right.

Is there really any definition?

Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially
progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as
identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that
they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and
engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]

 

[Audie]

I wouldn't wish internet death threats on him. But I would be good with a big name band writing a hit song making fun of him.
Tom

Columbus is right.

Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially
progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as
identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that
they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and
engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]

WGIC-White Guilt Industrial Complex

 

[Father Heathen]

Is there really any definition?

"SJW" means many things but is almost always pejorative. To give you a rough, general idea, it's often used to refer to someone who desires to curtail freedom of speech for the sake of political correctness, or someone who believes that misandry is a reasonable approach to combating misogyny, or someone that believes racism is okay if the target is of a "privileged" race, or someone who is vindictive or excessive in their methods, such as harassment, "doxing", vandalism, etc. or someone who is simply mawkish, inconsistent, hypocritical, etc. engages in disingenuous and fallacious arguments.

 

[Curious George]

Columbus is right.

Social justice warrior - Wikipedia
Social justice warrior (SJW) is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially
progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturalism,[1][2] as well as
identity politics.[3] The accusation that somebody is an SJW carries implications that
they are pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction,[4] and
engaging in disingenuous arguments.[5]

Do you promote multiculturalism?