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It's so hard to be good

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by PopeADope, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I'm sick of seeing this bull S that is forced upon human beings.

    Why does God leave us with inclinations and temptations that make it so difficult to be good?

    Original sin is so stupid! Cursing people for something that their ancestors did thousands (if not millions) of years ago is one of the most unjust things I've ever heard of.

    Despite what you might think, I actually want to be good and do God's will.

    My anger is not so much at God per say, but at the Bible.

    The Great "Men of God" and prophets in scripture fell into all kinds of sin and error.

    To think they did not make mistakes when they wrote the Bible is highly irrational, because God is famous for not preventing people from making mistakes.

    King David is called "man after Gods own heart" and wrote some of the scriptures, and that guy had his right hand man murdered so that he can get away with screwing his wife.

    If God did not protect him from those severe errors, what makes you think that God stopped him from making mistakes when he was writing scriptures?

    King Solomon wrote some of the scriptures, and that guy made all kinds of mistakes that offended God. Yet he was the wisest man that ever lived supposedly.

    Many of the scriptures were passed down orally generation after generation before they got written down.

    What makes you think all the people that told those stories generation after generation kept telling the exact same story without error?

    Well, the Bible says so, therefore it must be true. The Qur'an makes that claim as well, therefore the Quran must be true.
     
  2. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Not to mention, Christians are divided about which books should be or should not be in the Bible to this day.

    The Bible does not say which books belong in the Bible. That is proof that the Bible is not the final Authority or that everything you believe must come from scripture.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I think if a lot of you guys and gals knew how much I pray for the grace to do God's will, and how much I sincerely desire to do God's will, you would recognize why I get so angry at God.

    I see people quoting the Old Testament all the time to condemn things I do. Yet nobody actually follows the Old Testament, they just cherry pick what they want to follow, and condemn others for not following it as they do.

    I see so many people insisting they are right yet they have wound up with opposite beliefs that scripture supports.

    Christianity has become a totally confused and divided **** show thanks to the Bible, where everyone seems to claim they have the correct interpretation of scripture.

    I see that nothing divides people more than the Bible. I need the spirit of God to guide me and it's not happening, despite scripture claiming and promising differently.

    And there are behaviors that scripture promotes which I find to be intrinsically and entirely evil, disgusting, and sinful.

    Hence, I'm getting angry for a rather justified reason.

    Is there anything wrong with getting angry at what my conscience tells me is intrinsically evil and "sinful"?
     
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    Jim Well-Known Member

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    For whatever it might be worth, I’ve been reading your rants. I’m not responding because I don’t know anything to say that I think could do you any good, until you get tired of ranting, if that ever happens.
     
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  5. Jim

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    I don’t see anything wrong with your anger. I cherish it. I have some little objections to what you’re doing with it, but it looks relatively harmless to me. You could be doing a lot worse, and I’m not sure there’s anything better you could be doing for now. I’m just waiting for you to get tired of it, at least long enough to consider other possibilities for what you could be doing here.
     
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  6. Earthling

    Earthling David Henson
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    The Bible itself warns us that we are to test even the inspired expressions contained within it's text, so, what are you suggesting - that something that contains errors is without merit? The same principle could be applied to the people in the Bible. Who is beyond the effects of sin, so that they could proclaim to be "good?" I'm sure you wouldn't presume to make such a claim which becomes problematic in establishing some point of reference in judging any other.

    You keep suggesting that God should protect his followers from making errors and while I can see the validity in that proposition I can't help but wonder up to what point is God expected to do that.
     
  7. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I don't disagree with you. I just feel the need to point out what I find to be detestable and wrong.

    There are an enormous amount of posts every day where people are pointing out what they find to be deplorable and detestable or sinful.
     
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    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Lord God do not punish me for following what I believe to be right or wrong.

    Instead, please Inspire and control my conscience so that I know what is right and wrong, and do what is right. Guide me in all of my ways, and do this for anybody who wants it.

    Help me to stop blaspheming!
    Amen!
     
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  9. Earthling

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    I don't see how this is relevant. If we had only found half of the books collected in the Bible we would have something of tremendous value that wouldn't negate the hypothetically undiscovered books that may be out there.

    To me, your criticism of the Bible seems far too ideological and even more emotional to approach realistically. @Jim seems to agree.

    I think it would be a spiritually positive thing if you could wrap your mind around that flaw in your approach and see if you can put your hands on some demonstrably greater criticism of the Bible, God, Christendom, and perhaps even yourself in the process.

    There's a Masterpiece Contemporary piece I found a few years ago to be most fascinating - a drama of the Jews of the Holocaust putting God On Trial for their circumstances in the concentration camps.



    The Bible tells what was put before Adam, what was expected of him and what would happen if he failed in this modest task representing Jehovah God's sovereignty. He failed in this task and what befell him was exactly what was stated. As a result of that we all suffer. The Bible also tells how this suffering can end.

    So, I don't understand your confusion.
     
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    james blunt Well-Known Member

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    Gd gvs choce ad t act witot thking is n act ainst Gd.
     
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    I am also a person prone to anger but there is reason to believe that being angry opens people up to demonic oppression. You admit there is wisdom in the scriptures. So take a look at Proverbs 25:28. When we're angry it does something to our natural defenses against demons.

    He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls. (Proverbs 25:28)

    Also you have to guard your mind because not all the thoughts you think are really from you. In fact demons can easily insert thoughts in people's minds. It's happened to me many times. How they do it is sneaky though. They make the thought seem as if it's coming from you. The thought can often go like "I think ... etc" So they start it with "I" so you think it's coming from you; when it isn't. They're even more subtle than that and will introduce entire arguments and lines of reasoning into your mind. Not just one thought but whole thought processes can be inserted.

    Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; (2 Corinthians 10:5)

    So what you do is first of all pray to God and surrender to Him as Lord. Tell God that you do not know everything but that you trust Him regardless. And you're sorry for your sins.

    Then take dominion by the authority of the name of Jesus and then command any evil spirits to be gone and to desist. Also you can tell them to be quiet.

    So when we're double minded we're unstable in all our ways and satan has a foothold to give us evil thoughts and unbelief.

    The double mind is like a split or cracked foundation. You can't build up a wall or fortification on it that will last very long to defend against demons. Even when you do build a wall then it falls quickly. So you have to trust God and humble yourself to God; then He can heal the breach in the foundation.

    That's how they get people depressed and worried. That's how they get people thinking through a lens of unbelief rather than belief. Remember that without faith it's impossible to please God. We must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who seek Him. By thinking thoughts of unbelief and especially by putting those thoughts into words we are effectively denying ourselves the benefits of faith.

    "Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof."

    One time even Jesus could not do many miracles because the people of a certain town had no faith. (Matthew 13:58) This is why when people asked Jesus if He could heal them He would say "your faith has made you whole". It's all about faith. Something about Jesus presence directly on earth certainly increased people's faith around Him, but we are able to have the same miracles now if we just get the faith.

    So I appreciate that you pray a lot for grace and strength to do good but that you find it difficult anyway. That's because we're in an unseen war.

    Unfortunately, the world has certain angels who were set in authority over the earth that have rebelled against the most High God's ways. These angels are called archons(rulers) or princes. Anyone serving God or trying to serve God is a threat to them and their power. Therefore they oppose those people as much as possible. They have legions of demons to do their dirty work.

    God also has angels but they're released to do their good work through faith in God. They love to help and God loves to help but they're waiting for faith. If we don't have faith then we're not going to receive as much help from God. You can look at faith as making a pathway to God or making a pathway for the angels to walk. There is no limit to those who believe.

    And it only takes a little faith. As when you take one step toward God He will take more than one step toward you. And when you draw near to God a little He draws near much.

    Just as the Chaldeans besieged Jerusalem so these demons besiege people and surround them to take their fortification. I'm talking about the mind of course which is the battle ground.

    Here, I pray for you. Deliverance and inward healing are yours if you believe. You will notice a difference in your thought life but be on your guard because the battle goes on.
     
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    Cacotopia Let's go full Trottle

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    I disagree with you, it is very easy to be a good person.
     
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    Pleasure is simple, hate is difficult. All you need to be unceasingly happy is to be unceasingly passive.
     
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    2 Corinthians 8:12...."For if the readiness is there first, it is especially acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what a person does not have."

    Although this is about having a generous attitude with ones own material things, it stresses that God appreciates our good desires and motives. As long as we do our best! And prayer to Jehovah asking for aid (through Jesus' name), along with expressing our appreciation to Him for the good things we do have, will help!

    Best wishes, my friend.
     
  15. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    Over a billion Christians and over a billion Muslims would disagree with you that you are a "good guy".
     
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    The Bible is an excellent commentary on the sinful nature of human beings from generation to generation, as is the daily news. The Bible does not hide the reality of human sin, even of those used by God through history. This transparency only gives credibility to the Bible and shows that no one is better than another, not David, Solomon, Paul, or anyone. The scriptures are clear that all equally need a Savior.

    Though you keep saying you desire God's will, answered prayer, or that you would stop blaspheming, you then in the next breath rant on and on. Your words appear empty.
     
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    What's "right/good" to me...

    Don't cause anyone unnecessary harm.
    Clean up after yourself, don't let someone else clean up your mess.
    Help when asked or when you are certain it is needed and it is something you are capable of.
    Don't use guilt or fear to manipulate others.

    Maybe there's something needing to be added but that's generally my thinking.

    It's hard to be good? That's just me being me. It's hard to be something you are not. It's hard to be good according to someone else's guidelines/moral code.
     
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    How easy ? i need try IT
     
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    Maybe this will help, from Rinkitink in Oz, by L. Frank Baum:
     
  20. PopeADope

    PopeADope Habemus papam

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    I want to do God's will. That doesn't mean I like what the Bible says about God.

    if I despise such behavior in human beings, why should I accept such behavior from God?
     
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