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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by John1.12, Jun 8, 2021.

  1. Moonjuice

    Moonjuice In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey

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    What do you think Matthew? Do we need to be saved to be a Christian?
     
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  2. John1.12

    John1.12 Free gift

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    Hell was not created for man ,but the devil and his angels .
     
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  3. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Seriously?

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    Can I ask you a genuine question?

    Have you ever asked an unbeliever what is best for their spiritual wellbeing and means to find interest and support in what fufills them?

    What do "you" believe makes you fulfilled?

    What are Your values as a Hindu, Wiccan, Jew, or Taoist?

    I'm happy that you found your way. Salvation isn't for everyone.

    Be blessed....

    Something like that?
     
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  4. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    I don't see much similarity between what you say is in the Gospels and what I actually read in it.

    ... though I recognize that you certainly aren't the first person I've seen from the tradition that reinterprets the Bible this way.
     
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  5. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    So if I am convinced that this good news is a myth and I have made by best effort to see the truth and found otherwise, is it still good news, or am I bound for condemnation?
     
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  6. MatthewA

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    @Moonjuice That is a good question.

    In my life at 26 years old there was a void in my heart; and my only though was listening to preachers preach on the youtube; and then after that I made the decision to go and read the bible for myself and find out who Jesus Christ was and what he represented and my life slowly started to be taken from the dark void in my heart into a place of joy; and thankfulness; that has been my experience and believe that God and the Lord Yeshua have changed my life around for the better.

    To be saved to the kingdom of God; one needs Christ Jesus who is the way, the truth, the life and no man has access to the Father except by and through him. I believe.

    To have a spiritual relationship and connection with the creator is a wonderful experience knowing that you are loved, accepted and that when you Love God; you desire to love others too and not condemn or judge them. I believe.

    The old ways die from being hateful and greedy; into having joy and peace by and through the spirit; and to have these things one must believe and have faith; because without faith it is impossible to please God. I believe.

    I believe that God desires for all people to come to the knowledge and the truth about the Son of God.
     
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    That choice is between you and God friend, osgart.
     
  8. Moonjuice

    Moonjuice In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey

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    To be honest, Matthew, to me, that first question has no meaning. I have never thought to ask a non-believer what they think is best for their "spiritual wellbeing". I don't know what spiritual wellbeing is, but sounds like an invented construct. Like the apparent need of salvation.
     
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  9. MatthewA

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    @Unveiled Artist

    what is best for their spiritual wellbeing and means to find interest and support in what fufills them?

    What do "you" believe makes you fulfilled?

    What are Your values as a Hindu, Wiccan, Jew, or Taoist?

    You can tell me you if desire and I will listen.
     
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    Yes, but then you need to make the case for why you think they are true.

    I've never understood the kind of preaching we see in this thread. It seems to consist in cheerfully asserting the virtues of a proposition that has not been accepted by the people being preached to. This kind of preacher seems to overlook the need to convince his audience of the truth of the proposition, before going any further. It's as if they think that, because it is upbeat, nobody will spoil the party by questioning the proposition.

    I sometimes wonder, cynically, if they come to places like this as a box-ticking exercise, so they can say they done their bit of evangelising, even though it is actually quite ineffective - and in many cases counterproductive.
     
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  11. MatthewA

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    @exchemist : I believe the proper term is subjective.
     
  12. Unveiled Artist

    Unveiled Artist Seriously?

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    My question is have you asked these questions of others?
     
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    John1.12 Free gift

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    No tithing. Thats OT . I assume you purchased books also ? For what you are trying to achieve ,it is what you have to do. There's no ' free gift ' . Believing requires no ' effort ' . Believing from the heart . And are you not ' trusting the writing's of other men? How is what you believe not ' blind faith ? If you don't need to practice asceticism, do ' practices, rituals and such then why bother ? Its because you must .Its another religion on what you do .
     
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    @Unveiled Artist No. I have not. But you can feel free to tell me if you like; I do not mind other people and what they believe; I might not agree or believe with what they are saying is the truth though because depending on what is presented it can be questionable.

    I do not condemn them for it; or judge them; sometimes will become lower and allow them to have the say; because of humility that is with-in that comes from by the spirit of Christ I believe.

    I use to dabble in Satanism, Wiccanism; and things like that; believed could talk to dead spirits through ouija board, and things like this in life; and have met I believe one person who was wiccan she did tarot cards and also was one the first person to ever have gotten to kiss.
     
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    I meant the Gospel specifically( 1 cor 15: 1-4 ) Not the 4 gospels . I have no ' tradition ' . What tradition are you referring to when you say ' the tradition? .And could you explain how im reinterpreting the bible as you say ?
     
  16. Moonjuice

    Moonjuice In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey

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    To clarify, I don't think you are using the word "saved" correctly. "Saved to the Kingdom of heaven" is grammatically incorrect. You can be saved "from" something. But you can't be saved "to" something. So what exactly are you being saved from? Why would anyone need to be saved in the first place? Also, hate to say it, but I did the exact same thing as you. I read the bible. It was reading the bible that convinced me that the Christian religion is a man-made invention. Strange that two people can read the same thing and come to two different conclusions. Why do you think that is?
     
  17. Polymath257

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    Even if it is true, I don't see that as a very positive thing.

    While I would not mind living longer, say a couple thousand years, the idea of living for eternity seems positively terrifying.

    Extinction is something to be devoutly wished for.
     
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    SalixIncendium अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
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    I've purchased books, but only because it was my choice to take the path of Jnana Yoga (knowledge), but purchasing books or even having knowledge of their contents is not requisite to Self-realization. It merely facilitates/expedites the process, as I stated in my first response to you, or in my case, confirms my experiences.

    One can learn directly from a guru, take the path of Bhakti yoga (worship), or take the path of Karma yoga (action), but a combination of the yogas is optimal.

    No money required. Free.

    I trust my experiences. There is no faith required for experiences. The texts merely validate the experiences. If my experiences and the text are in conflict, my experiences win out.

    It's not because I must. It's because I choose to.

    A word of advice. Before you tell someone what they must do in their path, it's helpful to learn a bit about the path (or even know what that path is).
     
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  20. InChrist

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    Nice twist, but that is not the biblical gospel. There is nothing in the scriptures indicating that God tortures anyone for eternity.
     
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