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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, May 21, 2020.

  1. Nakosis

    Nakosis crystal soldier
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    What if science was able to show that the spiritual realm did not exist outside of your head.

    Would that matter to you?

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  2. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Absolutely!
     
  3. Rival

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    No? Does anything exist outside my head, really? Is my reality anyone else's? Probably not.
     
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  4. Nakosis

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    Spiritual experiences involve “pronounced shifts in perception [that] buffer the effects of stress,” the study says. The findings suggest that those experiences can be accessed by everyone, and that transcendence isn’t dependent upon religiosity. That makes studying spiritual experiences and figuring out how to use such states for improved mental health easier for scientists. Next, the researchers hope to test a bigger group of subjects of all ages.

    Beyond mental health, scientists study spirituality because the human quest for meaning is timeless and universal. By cultivating spiritual experiences in addition to strengthening our intellectual abilities, people can lead emotionally richer lives and develop more open minds, scientists say.
    Scientists found the spiritual part of our brains—religion not required

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  5. sun rise

    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    Science can't show what is beyond the material realm which is the realm of science.
     
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  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    No, i don't see it as anyway else anyway
     
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  7. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    It's just another physical correlation. A lot of spiritual experiences are based on understanding a teaching in a particular way.

    The feelings, felt throughout the body are an effect of the inspiration from the understanding.

    Even if everything is just physical response still there is the method of understanding ourselves that's important.

    And then there's the idea that there is a more subtle, and deeper level of reality that has its own substance and interacts with the physical brain.

    So physical correlations alone are not going to end the pursuit of realms beyond.
     
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  8. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein God is my Light
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    Well, until they rip a hole in the space-time continuum from playing around with particle accelerators. :rolleyes: There was some serious concern about them creating mini black holes and who knows what lies on the other side of an event horizon.
     
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  9. WalterTrull

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    Kind of silly. Two totally different rationalizations.
     
  10. Nakosis

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    That's kind of the question. What if someone was able to prove to you, convince you there was nothing beyond the physical realm. Would you give up on spiritual pursuits?
     
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    How could they prove that? Suppose the mind is the receptor of information both from this physical universe and realms that are beyond our "normal" sensory perception?
     
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  12. Windwalker

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    Awesome. Yes! This is why we pursue spiritual paths.
     
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  13. Nakosis

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    It's more a question of does it matter if it is real or not.
     
  14. robocop (actually)

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    I think there are a couple of experiments that would still matter, like is the Universe a 2-D screen or actually 3-D?
     
  15. Nowhere Man

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    I remember once having a lucid dream which is kind of rare for me to have. I could actually breathe and see and touch things and have met many interesting people with unprecedented detail.

    Decades ago I would have thought that I had met actual people on a different plane of existence. The funny thing is when you're dreaming like that, its still as real and as true as when you are awake.

    Rather than thinking it's all in my head, which is likely true in its own way, I do tend to surmise our consciousness is multifaceted, and can be seen and experienced through different states such as those of being awake and asleep.


    I'm thinking there's not that much difference between life and death in terms that we traverse in a multi faceted continuum through the state of being born and the state of dying.

    It's certainly a paradox. But I would go with our notably dominant physical form to distinguish what's in the mind and what's not.


    To put it more simply, when you're in a physical waking state, it's definitely in your mind, yet when you're in the realm of your imagination, all that physicality disappears and that's the reality you're left with.

    It's sort of like paraphrasing the intensely intriguing philosophical question posed by Zhuangzi.

    Am I a man dreaming I'm a butterfly? Or am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man?
     
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  16. lewisnotmiller

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    My take, which is worth not much.
    Stuff exists outside your head, but your perception of it is unique and differs from the 'reality' of the object, whatever that is.
    Same as all of us.
     
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    if you have a spirit in you then yes.
     
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    Just to throw a twist in here, but "real" is what we experience. If we experience these things, that's real.
     
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    I apologize if anyone has already made this point, but it is (in theory) epistemologically impossible for science to ever show that the spiritual realm does not exist outside of the head. That sort of demonstration is simply beyond the scope of science, since science is methodologically incapable of metaphysical investigations.

    On the other hand, it might still be possible to get funding for such an investigation out of the current administration, especially if one were able to characterize the investigation as very likely to result in the deification of the President -- and who couldn't use the beer money?
     
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    You mean if science could prove it does not exist?
    I cannot see how that would ever be possible.
     
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