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It is not natural to be sexually chaste.

Discussion in 'Sexuality' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jul 22, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    Much of Christian prudish modesty goes against Mother Nature herself. Such false modesty about human sexuality is perverse. People are born with the sexual orientations they have. Get over it for good. You will never un-gay a person and it's perverse to even try. It is not a free "choice" to be attracted to a particular sex, both sexes or no sexes. King David in the bible, II Samuel, preferred the love for Jonathan over that of women. The pagan Roman and Greek religions of antiquity accepted same-sex love as a normality.

    If God had not wanted people to have same-sex sex, he would have wired their brains to never be attracted to the same sex in the first place. You don't design an airplane without wings and expect it to miraculously fly.

    It is is time to hang up the hang-ups about human sexuality for good.

    Free love and free love for all, forever. Amen.
     
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    It is in the nature of some humans to want to be chaste because throughout history there have been countless human beings that strongly and forcefully desired chastity and celibacy, and not all of those people were Christian.

    There is something in human beings that makes us unique. No other animal invents space ships that fly to the moon. Other animals don't invent anything that they were not inventing a thousand years ago. They don't even invent the wheel yet, much less credit cards or vehicles.

    So, human beings behave way differently than any other animal because we are way different.

    And for some reason, countless human beings throughout history have desired to practice chastity.
     
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  3. Jonathan Bailey

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    Man is still a member of the animal kingdom and is a creature of the flesh. There are complex human elements as emotions and thoughts, though. It's still unnatural for even man to try to fight sexual urges and passions. God would have made us all asexual if he would have wished us all to be chaste or celibate. If some people desire to be chaste and pursue that, that's fine by me.

    Don't expect all people to endeavor toward lifelong celibacy. I will not try to pray away my animal passions but embrace them as a gift from nature. Sexual urges are bodily functions like thirst for water and hunger for food. They have to be satisfied, fed, even if masturbation, hand feeding, is necessary.
     
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    Christianity is an anti-natural religion and verges on Gnostic dualism with its asceticism and disdain for "the world" and "the flesh". You have the fall of man, your savior being born unnaturally from a virgin, Jesus being sexless in the Gospels and encouraging his followers to leave family life behind to join his traveling apocalyptic preaching tour, Paul advising against marriage and centuries of monasticism (rather extreme at times, at that), so what do you expect? It is very strange when Christians (mostly Catholics) ramble on about "natural law" when it comes to justifying their homophobia and ridiculous views on birth control, however.
     
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    I find you to be a pretty interesting sort of fellow. Very progressive and yet sometimes not.
    I do largely agree with your premise though.
    Suppressing sexual urges is largely unhealthy.
     
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  6. Jonathan Bailey

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    Some people are so full of it their eyes are brown.
     
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    How about straight couples who choose to live a nonsexual life together? It is nothing wrong in not having sex, the need for sex is only an attachment anyway.
     
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    Yep, like sex is safe!
     
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    You are so right but I don't think you will convince fundamentalists and the like. God is love. So, God loves love whether it is man and woman, man and man, woman and woman or something else. As long as it is love, it is of God.
     
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    I think most if not all sexual living beings need to satisfy that passion of the flesh sooner or later.
    For a man not to shoot his load ever is like trying to hold in a bowel movement forever. No, it's certainly not a crime to abstain. I'd be willing to bet you a crisp new Lincoln five-dollar bill that even a man who does not have sex with his love partner is beating off sometime.

    What ever happened to Doctor Ruth, sexually speaking?


    I heard her on radio a lot during the 1980's.

    I don't like the term STRAIGHT but rather the word heterosexual instead. STRAIGHT implies that non-heterosexuals are DEVIANT.
     
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    To live without sex or other forms of release is not a problem at all. It just takes time to understand that sexual lust is only attachments we humans have. I think I said it before, but I and my Fianceè have lived together for more than 4 years and 3 of them without any form of sexual intercourse, but of course we do it agreeing to it both of us, so it is not just one of us does not want or can.
    If the body needs release it happen naturally even for those who do abstain from sexual activity.
     
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    Any man who would say he never has sex AND never beats off is a liar. If the body needs a release, at least one hand will intervene, naturally.
     
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    I did not say i never had sex. I just say it is not any longer a part of our life. Its unimportant
     
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    That's fair enough. Could be a "male menopause" thing too.
     
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    I am only 41 so i dont think that is the reason :) But who knows. So far it is a free choice we made
     
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    No, 41 is too young for that. I can understand if men are castrated then, yes, they are sexually dead at any age. At age 55, I have not yet experienced any death of sexual urges. I'm on borrowed time.
     
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    Hehe no need for castration of me :) i have control of the urges :D
     
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    It must be a special gift then. I must confess there has been more than one time where I wished I could control my urges in certain situations. Seeing a picture of a bespectacled old nun in habit, or even thinking about such old woman, usually does the trick.
     
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    I don't think that is actually true. There do appear to be individuals who have no sexual drive whatsoever - but they will be the exceptions.
     
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