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Featured It is Holy Ghost, not "Holy Spirit"

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Jonathan Bailey, Apr 24, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    BIBLE VERSES ABOUT HOLY GHOST

    John 14:26 - But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    Acts 2:38 - Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    The use of the name HOLY GHOST. This is where I agree with Catholic traditionalists, the original King James Version (I've seen modern corrupt printings of it) and some Protestants.

    I like the sound of the words "HOLY GHOST" even. GHOST is a Germanic word meaning GUEST in the original sense. When Christian people invite the HOLY GHOST into their hearts, they invite Him as a GUEST. It's not like Halloween "ghost": an apparition. I love the word GHOST. It's an amusing term to me.

    The Holy Ghost is often depicted as a pure white dove in Christian art:

    Luke 3:22

    And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.


    About the corrupt book claiming to be the KJV. I saw one of these so-called "bibles" in a rescue mission one time and was surprised to see the term 'little girl' printed in it and the words "King James Version" was printed outside on the cover. The term "little girl" would have not been used at the time the original King James was published in about 1611.

    The term for "little girl" would be something like "maiden", "maidchild" or "damsel". The term "get up" is rather modernistic too.

    Mark 5:41

    And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise.

    King James Version (KJV)

    How can we be sure we have a KING JAMES bible with the same exact text as the original published in 1611?

    Clues: make sure the terms "Holy Spirit" and "little girl" are not printed in it.

    We have to be aware of any counterfeits the Devil might fashion these days
    to confuse us.
     
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  2. 74x12

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    God as a guest? I don't think so. I mean I see your point. But He is to be your Lord and Master ... so much more than a guest.
     
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  3. Jonathan Bailey

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    His Holy Ghost is indeed a guest when we invite this Third Person into our hearts. But we should be a good host deserving of the pure white Dove.
     
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    I don't believe God is a third person. But I see your point about treating the holy Ghost as an Honored Guest.
     
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    I am sorry to have to inform you that you do not get to force others to your form of spiritual "Lock Step". I find your manner to be offensive.
     
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    I don't mean to be obtuse here, but if you have access to a Strong's Concordance, I strongly recommend that you look up the word Ghost, as well as Spirit, and while you're at it, look up the word Soul, too.

    With a LITTLE bit of luck, you will come to discover that ALL THREE (there's that magical number 3 again) words, are found to be in reference to "AIR", "WIND". And in essence, are all interchangeable with each other.

    As far as why the Holy Spirit was changed to the Holy Ghost, you can thank Jerome of RCC fame for that, when he translated the then Old English scriptures into Latin, and then when they got translated into back English in 1611, we find that the "Spirit" had become a "Ghost".

    Saying Holy Spirit, over "ghost" has taken precedence, probably due to some of the rather bad connotations associated with "ghosts", over the years.

    Google is your friend....don't take MY word for it...look it up.
     
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    I've not found a source that agrees with your understanding of the etymology of the word "ghost". Can you provide your source?
     
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    IIRC I said go look either in a Strong's Concordance, or Google it.
     
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    My understanding is Jerome was long dead before there was anything that we would call Old English and my understanding is that Jerome translated the Hebrew of the Tanakh and the Greek of Christian scripture. I'm always open to learning something new so if you could further explain I would appreciate it.
     
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    Not quite. It's Germanic, but in English it's from Anglo-Saxon gast, meaning soul, spirit. It's cognate with German Geist and Dutch geest.

    'Guest' is from Anglo-Saxon giest, Old Norse gestr meaning 'stranger'.
    Why would that matter?

    It would be vastly more informative to have, say, the original versions of the gospels in koine Greek, something we have only a handful of tiny glimpses of.

    The KJV was a prodigious effort for its era, and because of its skillful adaptation for oration, still the favored basis for many modern translations ─ you can thunder it or whisper it from the pulpit with far greater effect than in any other language I'm aware of. By comparison, when it comes to reading, the bible in Vulgate Latin, or German, or French, is just plain dull.

    However, our understanding of ancient languages (exactly as you'd expect) has increased greatly since the early 17th century.Modern translations are more accurate and informative as documents than the KJV will ever be.
     
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    I do not mean to be rude, but I never understand the need to nit-pick when the more pertinent subject matter is what the words actually MEAN. ie, Spirit, Ghost, Soul all translate to the same definitions...eg AIR and the WIND.
    I am recalling much of this from a brain that is now over 3/4's of a century old and years removed from any serious contact with the subject matter.
    Jerome indeed copied the Aramaic/Hebrew into Latin...and from there it was re-translated into English in the 16th century AD. It was during that time that the Spirit had morphed into a Ghost....and today it is giving way BACK to being referred to as Spirit.
     
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  12. Jonathan Bailey

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    Ghost is is still a Germanic word. English is a Germanic language.
     
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    Yes, it's Germanic.

    But it comes from an old Germanic root meaning 'spirit', 'soul' and it has no common history with the word 'guest' ─ as you now know.


    Why do you think the KJV is so important?

    Why should one's copy of it be the pure and original first edition version?
     
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    There is no such thing as a ghost (as most people understand the word.)
    There are spirits, both good and evil, but they are not ghosts. The evil ones are demons like their Leader satan, who was also a formerly faithful angel.

    None of these spirits are former humans......and God is a spirit not a ghost. Language translation can wreak havoc with words. Remember that the Bible was not written in Archaic English. The KJV is a poor reference for Biblical truth. Its written in a somewhat dead language. No one speaks like that anymore and half the words are lost on today's generation.
     
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    The terms “Holy Spirit” and “Holy Ghost” mean exactly the same thing; both refer to the third Person of the Trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). The phrase “Holy Ghost” is simply an older term that dates back several hundred years, and is found in some old versions of the English Bible (such as the King James Version).
     
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    This thread's OP reads much like a section of a "King James Only" sermon, although I wouldn't be surprised to discover that the OP's author is unacquainted with the "King James Only" Movement/Sect. Why wouldn't I be surprised? Because the author's religion is, in his own words: "Religion: none, formal or established: I subscribe to the possibility of supreme being(s) and a hereafter", and he's shown a penchant for Cardinal Fulton Sheen's videos. (1) A genuine "King James Only-ist", in my limited experience and to the best of my knowledge, wouldn't be caught dead promoting anything a Roman Catholic (dead or alive) has to say; AND (2) the "King James Only till I die" rule is but one of many planks in their platform. (cf. Pastor Steve Anderson, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9dolzwdOVE and https://www.youtube.com/user/sanderson1611/videos ).

    By all means, engage the OP's author to your heart's content, but consider this: Feed a pigeon once and its more likely than not to come back for more.
     
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    English is melange of languages including celtic, latin, old greek, old german, old french, some modern german and french, a few asiatic words, it is known as an indo-european language.


    BTW, 'ghost' is from the old english 'gāst', its of Germanic origin related to Dutch 'geest' and German 'geist' meaning spirit or soul
     
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    Aren't independent Baptist Churches proponents of KJV only?
     
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    The King James Only movement asserts that the King James Version of the Bible is superior to all other English translations. Adherents, largely from evangelical and Baptist churches, believe that the KJV is the greatest English translation ever produced, needing no further improvements, and that all other English translations produced after the KJV are corrupt.

    These assertions are generally based upon a preference for the Byzantine text-type or Textus Receptus and distrust of the Alexandrian text-type, or critical text of Westcott-Hort, and Aland, on which the majority of twentieth and twenty-first century translations are based.

    King James Only movement - Wikipedia
     
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    Have you never heard the Common Table Prayer, standard amongst Lutherans? "Come Lord Jesus. Be our Guest. Let this food to us be blessed"?
     
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