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Israel...The Troublesome Ally

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Sep 12, 2019 at 8:37 AM.

  1. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    Now if anyone else on the planet did that...what do you think would happen. Frankly I don't get it and I don't get why there was not at least a slap on the wrist for the spying thing on the White House, considering the usual tone of the place these days
     
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    I thought I was being more diplomatic, but you could be second best.
     
  3. Revoltingest

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    And to think we almost went to war with Iran over shooting down an unmanned drone.
     
  4. wandering peacefully

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    Sure. They and we should complain but this spying business has been going on forever and is now just accepted as part of the way governments operate. I think it is hard to complain too much about something everyone does to each other.
     
  5. Ouroboros

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    What's a little spying between friends.
     
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  6. Dan From Smithville

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    Because we were spying or because it was Canada?
     
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    sun rise "Let there be peace and love among all"
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    This is not the problem I have with Israel. I think it's perfectly OK to spy on your national neighbors, just not the house next door, of course.

    But I hope they and we are spending a lot more time on our enemies compared to our "friends".
     
  8. Wu Wei

    Wu Wei ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson

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    yup....but..then then didn't attack a USS warship in unmarked jets and uniforms....if they'd did..they may have gotten a pass too

    But hey, the USS Liberty did look an awful lot like the El Quiser after all :rolleyes:

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  9. Dan From Smithville

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    That is more of a presidential qualification.
     
  10. Revoltingest

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    You're not advocating accepting or permitting it, are you?
     
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    We never forgave them for 1812.
     
  12. Revoltingest

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    You wicked wicked man!
     
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    To be serious though, Hamas is supposed to be the top-notch secret organization in the world. That they got exposed for spying on us might be just a diversion. We found these simple and silly spy tools, while in reality, they got the real stuff going and we don't even know it. We just feel good about ourselves for finding their toy stuff and won't find the serious things.
     
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    The Israelis have long ago learned that the U.S. government is for sale to the highest campaign donors. And they've been getting billions of American tax dollars for many decades by bribing our politicians, and by spying on them, and collecting any sort of dirt that they can use to make sure our politicians continue to appropriate billions more dollars to Israel because they are "our friends" in the middle east. Friends that rob the citizens of the U.S. blind, friends that routinely corrupt our politicians, and friends that immediately cry "antisemitism" anytime any of us dares to call their behavior unfriendly.
     
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    Bad bunny. Baaaad bunny!
     
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    Both. Many countries do this, but getting one's hands caught in the cookie jar is sorta embarrassing, especially if it's a close buddy who owns the jar.
     
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    Meanwhile back in reality the US gives Israel Gift Cards with which it can only buy US military hardware.
    It does of course do the same with Egypt since both countries started to receive these Gift Cards at the same time to bring Egypt out of the Soviet camp and to keep the peace between both countries.

    But I realise that your version is much flashier.


    And since you put "our friends" in quotes I can only assume that you do the same to your own country, as in you?
    Just because it has been 5 years when the US was caught spying on the entire German Parliament and Chancellory from the roof of its embassy.

    I hope you are appalled by that and don't reserve your outrage to cases when it fits your bias.
     
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    I thought they were supposed to make periodic sweeps for bugs and things like that.

    Of course, I guess they must be difficult to find. I still remember the last scene of The Conversation where Gene Hackman knows his apartment is bugged, but he goes crazy and tears up the place trying to find the bug.

     
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    As for Israel’s recent surveillance of the White House, one of the former senior U.S. intelligence officials acknowledged it raised security concerns but joked, “On the other hand, guess what we do in Tel Aviv?"​
     
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