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Israel: on the cusp of apartheid

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
Back on April 28th the Washington Post ran an article under the headline Israel nears a point of no return

“Unilateral annexation has the potential to ignite a serious conflagration,” read a letter addressed to Gantz, a former military chief himself, and signed by some 220 former high-ranking officers in Israeli security agencies. “Any partial annexation is likely to set in motion a chain reaction over which Israel will have no control, leading to the collapse of the Palestinian security agencies and of the Palestinian Authority. This, in turn, would require Israel to take full control over the entire West Bank, and assume responsibility for the lives of its 2.6 million Palestinians.”

That’s a scenario with troubling implications for those who want Israel to be a Jewish-majority and democratic state. “If there is no Palestine, Israel will be doomed to become a binational state rather than a Jewish one, or else adopt an apartheid system in which millions of Palestinians are ruled by Israel but lack full political rights,” noted Jackson Diehl, The Post’s deputy editorial page director.

But annexation is not yet a fait accompli. ...

That was then; this is now, and it's looking more like a fait accompli with every day of the Netanyahu reign. In today's Times of Israel we read:

Annexation will mean apartheid, warns Mandela ally who always fought comparison

An early ally of Nelson Mandela, journalist and author Benjamin Pogrund was among the first Jews to fight the South African apartheid regime. After he moved to Israel in the 1990s, he fought the accusation that Israel is an apartheid state.

But if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu goes ahead with his plan to unilaterally annex large parts of the West Bank, apparently without offering Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians who live in these areas, Israel will indeed turn into an apartheid state, Pogrund warned.

“I have argued, uphill and down dale, and lectured about it in a dozen countries and books and articles, that this is not apartheid. There is discrimination against the Arab minority and there’s an occupation in the West Bank — but it’s not apartheid,” he said in an interview Thursday.

“Come July 1, if we annex the Jordan Valley and the settlement areas, we are apartheid. Full stop. There’s no question about it.”
Full stop.
 

Samael_Khan

Goosebender
Back on April 28th the Washington Post ran an article under the headline Israel nears a point of no return

“Unilateral annexation has the potential to ignite a serious conflagration,” read a letter addressed to Gantz, a former military chief himself, and signed by some 220 former high-ranking officers in Israeli security agencies. “Any partial annexation is likely to set in motion a chain reaction over which Israel will have no control, leading to the collapse of the Palestinian security agencies and of the Palestinian Authority. This, in turn, would require Israel to take full control over the entire West Bank, and assume responsibility for the lives of its 2.6 million Palestinians.”

That’s a scenario with troubling implications for those who want Israel to be a Jewish-majority and democratic state. “If there is no Palestine, Israel will be doomed to become a binational state rather than a Jewish one, or else adopt an apartheid system in which millions of Palestinians are ruled by Israel but lack full political rights,” noted Jackson Diehl, The Post’s deputy editorial page director.

But annexation is not yet a fait accompli. ...

That was then; this is now, and it's looking more like a fait accompli with every day of the Netanyahu reign. In today's Times of Israel we read:

Annexation will mean apartheid, warns Mandela ally who always fought comparison

An early ally of Nelson Mandela, journalist and author Benjamin Pogrund was among the first Jews to fight the South African apartheid regime. After he moved to Israel in the 1990s, he fought the accusation that Israel is an apartheid state.

But if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu goes ahead with his plan to unilaterally annex large parts of the West Bank, apparently without offering Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians who live in these areas, Israel will indeed turn into an apartheid state, Pogrund warned.

“I have argued, uphill and down dale, and lectured about it in a dozen countries and books and articles, that this is not apartheid. There is discrimination against the Arab minority and there’s an occupation in the West Bank — but it’s not apartheid,” he said in an interview Thursday.

“Come July 1, if we annex the Jordan Valley and the settlement areas, we are apartheid. Full stop. There’s no question about it.”
Full stop.

If the result is that there would be discrimination against non Jews institutionally, using laws, that they cannot have certain jobs, cannot walk into certain areas, cannot live in certain places, cannot enter certain shops/restaurants, that there will be different exits and entrances to certain buildings, that the oppressed must have pass cards etc, then it would most certainly be an Apartheid system. Although that would inevitably lead to the downfall of the Israeli state and they would eventually have to give up power, because oppressed won't tolerate being oppressed for long.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Back on April 28th the Washington Post ran an article under the headline Israel nears a point of no return

“Unilateral annexation has the potential to ignite a serious conflagration,” read a letter addressed to Gantz, a former military chief himself, and signed by some 220 former high-ranking officers in Israeli security agencies. “Any partial annexation is likely to set in motion a chain reaction over which Israel will have no control, leading to the collapse of the Palestinian security agencies and of the Palestinian Authority. This, in turn, would require Israel to take full control over the entire West Bank, and assume responsibility for the lives of its 2.6 million Palestinians.”

That’s a scenario with troubling implications for those who want Israel to be a Jewish-majority and democratic state. “If there is no Palestine, Israel will be doomed to become a binational state rather than a Jewish one, or else adopt an apartheid system in which millions of Palestinians are ruled by Israel but lack full political rights,” noted Jackson Diehl, The Post’s deputy editorial page director.

But annexation is not yet a fait accompli. ...

That was then; this is now, and it's looking more like a fait accompli with every day of the Netanyahu reign. In today's Times of Israel we read:

Annexation will mean apartheid, warns Mandela ally who always fought comparison

An early ally of Nelson Mandela, journalist and author Benjamin Pogrund was among the first Jews to fight the South African apartheid regime. After he moved to Israel in the 1990s, he fought the accusation that Israel is an apartheid state.

But if Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu goes ahead with his plan to unilaterally annex large parts of the West Bank, apparently without offering Israeli citizenship to the Palestinians who live in these areas, Israel will indeed turn into an apartheid state, Pogrund warned.

“I have argued, uphill and down dale, and lectured about it in a dozen countries and books and articles, that this is not apartheid. There is discrimination against the Arab minority and there’s an occupation in the West Bank — but it’s not apartheid,” he said in an interview Thursday.

“Come July 1, if we annex the Jordan Valley and the settlement areas, we are apartheid. Full stop. There’s no question about it.”
Full stop.
Thanks for posting on this issue. As a gentile, I would not have had the temerity to raise it. I find it a tragedy to see the historically oppressed become oppressors in their turn. It seems we do not learn.

I do not believe this is any route to peace, and I'm sure Netanyahu knows that and is not interested in peace.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
“Come July 1, if we annex the Jordan Valley and the settlement areas, we are apartheid. Full stop. There’s no question about it.”

And the next step in my personal journey about the State of Israel will have happened. I went from a full-bore pro-Israel person to one who opposed settlements as anti-Democratic to being a bit hopeful when Israel left Gaza to horrified at the current regime in power there to being sad at Israel's loss of moral authority.

On July 1st, if this happens, I will no longer support Israel as a Jewish state but rather support a future in which there is one, non-religious nation with Jews and Muslims sharing the government as equals.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Can Israel lose its political identity and keep its cultural identity intact?

Personally, I'm not a fan of political identities. Cultural identities should not be divisive.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
... with potential of shared access to the temple Mount... and the possibility of construction of a Temple in the future...
I hope and pray that level of treating each other as brothers and sisters would lead to that being totally acceptable.
 
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