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Featured Israel as an Arboretum.

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by John D. Brey, Jan 13, 2018.

  1. John D. Brey

    John D. Brey Well-Known Member

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    . . . This brings up an issue I dealt with earlier today in a message in the Tree of Souls thread. If Israel isn't a different species, a non-sexual species, then the commandment that Jews not procreate with anyone but other Jews is racist. It suggests a form of racial superiority that could be damaged by interracial marriage. By law Jews can't mix genes with any other race while every other race, any other people, are free to mix and dilute their genes all they want.

    Same with privileging the firstborn. The firstborn gets the best genes so that establishing a system that privileges the firstborn is a means of establishing a genetically superior race.

    But in truth, Israel is not racist, and the privileging of the firstborn has nothing to do with racism or genetic tweaking to produce a superior race. Israel is an arboretum; it's supposed to be not a different race, but a whole other species. Two species come from Adam. Those who are an arboretum, genetic clones, reproducing vegetatively, and those who are a sexually reproducing species, the goy.

    In an arboretum, all offspring branch out of the root of the firstborn asexually. If the firstborn is from the original root-stem, Adam, then all those who branch out from the firstborn are clones of not just the firstborn, but the first tree, Adam, and every other tree that's attached through the root-stem of the arboretum.


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  2. Tumah

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    Again, for all who read this garbage, the OP is totally off base as usual. It's 100% permitted to marry a person of any race or nationality so long as they convert to Judaism. The question is the person's religion, not the person's race as implied by the OP.

    I'm also not implying that the rest of the OP is true. It's all nonsense. But at least this point is often not so clear to people as being false, while I think the rest is clearly an illustration of too much LSD.
     
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  3. socharlie

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    it is all about clairvoyant DNA of Abram.
     
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    it is not what it was then:
    34When Esau was forty years old, he married Judith daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and also Basemath daughter of Elon the Hittite. 35They were a source of grief to Isaac and Rebekah. Gen 26

    Then Rebekah said to Isaac, "I'm disgusted with living because of these Hittite women. If Jacob takes a wife from among the women of this land, from Hittite women like these, my life will not be worth living."
    Gen 27

    Ezra 9 and 10.

    It was different then. it was not racist, it just a matter of DNA purity.
     
  6. james dixon

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    I am going to cut and past your comment to my living room wall with letters two (2) feet tall for anyone to see who comes to visit me.

    hope you don't mind
     
  7. Tumah

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    How do you know the problem wasn't something that the Hittite women were doing? Maybe they weren't particularly modest or something? The passage says that Rebecca had a problem with the Hittite women. There were at least six if not nine other Canaanite tribes living there besides the Hittite. Why do you assume the problem is with the fact that they're Hittite?

    How do you know that the problem isn't because these women didn't convert?

    Like Rahab and Ruth.

    You'r just interpreting the text in a way to mean what you want. The text says nothing about racial purity whatsoever. We have Biblical commandments regarding how to treat converts to Judaism. There's not basis for your belief.
     
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    There are many other places, including choice on Noah because his clean pedigree. In Ezra time most of women would converted but the choice was not offered. Abram was chosen because of his ability to talk / connect with God. And nation was cultivated to preserve Abram's ability.
     
  9. Tumah

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    Again, where does it say that it was because of "clean pedigree" and not because as Gen. 6:9 says, Noah was righteous?

    Again, how do you know?

    By that logic, Balaam's children should have also been chosen.

    Are you going to provide a source for any of your claims?
     
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    Balaam has nothing to do with that. # 1 Theme of the Bible is communication with god in Spirit. OT just like NT.
    I mentioned meru.org. Everyone who interested what OT is MUST understand what that research says as well what Nachmanides explained about 50 gates of understanding ( including Torah). If one does not communicate with God what is one's religion for?
    I have many sources. I received many points of synchronicities that I have connected together in many years and still connecting some. Do you understand why Hitler went after the Jews in WWII?
     
  11. Tumah

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    You said that Abraham (and his progeny) was chosen because of his ability to talk to G-d. The Book of Numbers clearly describes a conversation taking place between Balaam and G-d. You have not yet provided a reason for why Balaam and his progeny should not be chosen as well.
    You have also not provided any proof or source texts proving that "clean pedigree" was relevant to G-d's saving Noah.

    Meru.org is a website for nutcases.

    Hitler is totally irrelevant to this conversation.
     
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    Hitler wanted to do the same that Ezra eliminated but Hitler succeeded.
    Meru it is for spiritual understanding...
     
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    That suggests a form of racial superiority for Hebrews and doesn't seem right. Especially when you consider that all humans are descendants of Enoch and Noah two men who were able to connect with God. What is true is that the sons of God in Genesis 6 were corrupting the human race including genetically and that was one reason for the strict rules for Hebrews. Because the nephilim were in the earth in those days "and also after that"(Gen. 6:4) (probably meaning after the flood sons of God also corrupted certain people genetically again)
    The mission of the Hebrews was to preserve the seed of Adam until the seed of woman would come who would bruise the head of the serpent. The objective of satan on the other hand; was (from Genesis 6 onwards) to corrupt the entire human race(genetically) so that there would be no fit lineage for the "seed of the woman" to come from. Remember, that satan took it seriously when God said "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." (Gen. 3:15) This is likely why Satan caused the murder of Abel. Through killing Abel he first of all corrupted Cain(morally) and secondly eliminated Abel. Thus ensuring neither of these would be a good lineage for the Messiah. However, the Messiah comes from Seth.

    All that being said; I agree with Tumah that the main reason was definitely religious. A man's wife has an effect on his spirituality whether he likes it or not. (1 King 11:4) No offense to women, but the first man Adam sinned because Eve. The strongest man ever Samson sinned because of his desire for philistine women. The most spiritual king of old Israel: David sinned because he saw another man's wife naked. The wisest king of old Israel; Solomon sinned because of his foreign wives. It's obviously always been man's greatest weakness. Even certain angels sinned when they saw how beautiful the daughters of Adam were. (Gen. 6)

    It is very probable that the wives of Esau vexed Isaac and Rebecca because they were worshiping idols or something like that and didn't respect the beliefs of Abraham(worship of Yah only).
     
  14. Tumah

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    Thanks for that completely unsolicited opinion.
    If spiritual understanding is how you drew the conclusions above, then thanks, but I'll take Judaism instead.
     
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    According to Torah Israeli were CULTIVATED from Abram by God.
     
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    Meru is nothing but Judaism ... in it's real core. Modern Judaism is all new entity since the Temple went down.
     
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    Satan is:
    6For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, 8and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
    Rom 8
     
  18. Enoch07

    Enoch07 Theistic Rationalist and Libertarian
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    Hmm well if it is a rule then Abaraham himself broke it by conceiving a child with Hagar the egyptian handmaid.

    Ishmael - Wikipedia

    Which eventually lead to Muhammad the founder of Islam.
     
  19. Tumah

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    Meru is some crazy guy creating patterns. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not any closer to Judaism than Christianity of Islam.
     
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    I'm not saying you're wrong about that but provide me a scripture reference; because right now I don't know exactly what your meaning is.

    That is not the Satan. Satan is an 100% real entity. He sets up his strongholds over the carnal minds of humans; but he is not the flesh himself. I don't glorify satan, but he's way more real than most people understand and he is always busy. (1 Peter 5:8, Job 1:7)
     
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