Awesome. This is what the Crusades believed, isn't it? Why don't we all just grow up a little over this whole land issue.
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Israel and the soon return of Yeshua Christ
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Yahyaa Waahid
Member
Greetings to you, Windwalker,
You are in error to suggest that concern over who rules Palestine is childishness. The Lord of the Worlds has revealed that none shall rule Jerusalem but the righteous.
Peace & Blessings to you.
Yahyaa Waahid (my name)
By growing up, I mean getting beyond a glorified form of tribalism being concerned about who rules a certain plot of land. I believe God cares about far more loftier ideals than human do, such as love and compassion. Not land ownership. God projected in our own image, is not God.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Apparently you missed the part in the gospels where Jesus that he came only for the Jews. Secondly, the Abrahamic Covenant is marked by male circumcision on the 8th day after birth, according to Torah, and only Jews have that as a requirement. And thirdly, apparently you missed God's promise, found in Exodus, to Moses about the land given to Jews.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Don't tell anyone, but I agree with you. Just our little secret, OK?
Yahyaa Waahid
Member
Well, the Bible does say that God Willed that special land to someone. If the Bible says that God felt that way about that land, then the matter is not trivial in the least.
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
Yahyaa Waahid
Member
Greetings to you, metis,
No no, I did not miss Jesus saying that he was only sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. That fact does not change Galatians 3, and it does not change the fact that the Apostles Peter and Paul were sent to the Gentiles.
And the covenant with the Jews IS NOT the Abrahamic covenant. The covenant with the Jews is an "ADDITIONAL" covenant added to the Abrahamic covenant:
Galatians 3:17, 19
"(17)And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (19) Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator."
No, I did not miss the OLD Testament. Again, Galatians 3 said that the covenant with the Jews would last until the Abrahamic covenant is fulfilled in Christ.
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
People who were trying to understand God wrote the Bible. Sorry to shake the ground beneath you, but people like you and like me wrote it. There is only a central theme that is you and me together. Then others, like you and me, try to interpret it and have a conversation like this.
Chew on that, and then let's have a cup of tea together.
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
But it says in the Book of Flankerl that your greco-roman religion is wrong on that one.
Since it was revealed after your book it has to be right!
Shermana
Heretic
It's so obvious. After all, one book supposedly written by a controversial self-declared Prophet that radically deviates from the rest of everything else in the Book HAS to be correct, screw all the others. The Jews obviously forged the Torah, including all the references to the Mosaic Law and how it must be forever upheld in the NT. All the parts where Paul clashes with Jesus, it was obviously interpolated to make Jesus say those things.
Yahyaa Waahid
Member
People who were trying to understand God wrote the Bible. Sorry to shake the ground beneath you, but people like you and like me wrote it. There is only a central theme that is you and me together. Then others, like you and me, try to interpret it and have a conversation like this.
Well I guess that that depends on your beliefs about the Bibles origins. The Bible was written by the 24 Elders mentioned in the Book of Revelation (the last book of the Bible,) and it was Revealed bit by bit at various times to various people. The Jews altered the original content of the Bible, so today there is much confusion about things if you want to follow the Bible. The Holy Qur'an, just for the record, identifies itself as the Guardian and Verifier of the Bible.
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
Yahyaa Waahid
Member
Greetings to you, Shermana,
Well if we look at it, it speaks for itself, in my judgment. Galatians 3:16:
"Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ."
"He saith not, And to seeds..." That plainly tells us that the Abrahamic covenant was not the covenant made with the Israelites. Galatians 3 goes on to say that the covenant with the Israelites was "ADDED" to the Abrahamic covenant and that the covenant with the Israelites lasted until the coming of Christ who is the actual "seed of Abraham" and the fulfiller of the Abrahamic covenant:
"(17)And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect. (19)Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator." Galatians 3:17, 19.
Galatians 3:16, 29 tells us who is the true seed of Abraham:
"(16)Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. (29)And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."
Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And can you provide any objective evidence that we "altered the original context of the Bible", along with how do you know with any certainty that the Qur'an has it right? Don't give us an opinion-- just evidence please?
Yahyaa Waahid
Member
I said altered the content, not "context." And my proof is the work of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad among the American so-called Negroes. Jesus said:
"(37)If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. (38)But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him." John 10:37-38
The Honorable Elijah Muhammad is the teacher that the Qur'an, which says that the Jews altered the original content of Bible, is a true book. And his work of resurrecting the American so-called Negroes (spiritually & mentally) is the proof that God is in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is in God.
If you have never heard of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, he is the man who is the teacher of Minister Louis Farrakhan, and, he is the man whom Minister Farrakhan is the National Representative of. Their group, which I am not a member of, is called the Nation of Islam and they have a website @ NOI.org - The Nation of Islam Official Website . If you would like to hear a lecture by Minister Farrakhan, go to: The Time And What Must Be Done Series by Minister Louis Farrakhan at 6PM any Saturday for the rest of this year. They also have a website for their weekly publication, the Final Call Newspaper, @ FinalCall.com News - Uncompromised National and World News and Perspectives .
Peace & Blessings to you.
Yahyaa Waahid
So, if I do good works, it means my scholarship on ancient history is validated? Somehow? No, one scholar doesn't mean much of anything, considering the religious biases present. This is not real scholarship, but religious propaganda.
I guess if you start with the answers already secured in your religious beliefs, there is no point in discussion. You already have the answers and will reject whatever challenges those.
Aside from that, this understanding is a mythological understanding, written in heaven by mythological creatures and whatnot. That fine for you. I cannot think in terms like this. I have too much exposure to modern scholarship.
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
Doesn't this conflict with a misanthropic attitude?
sandy whitelinger
Veteran Member
I could use Scripture to show that He might not be due back for another 20,000 years. God has been known to tarry.