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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Raymann, Sep 10, 2019 at 10:50 PM.

  1. wellwisher

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    In many Muslim majority countries, in Africa for example, there is a Muslim based Christian-phobia that goes deeper than rhetoric and words. It begins with intimidation, persecution, all the way to genocide. These Christians have a reason to fear Islam.

    Yet the persecution of these Christians is not labeled a phobia from either angle. The reason is these word games come from Western Progressives and are designed to misinform and divide people in favor of the side they take. The same games are played in America with phobia only applying to protected left wing groups. One needs to maintain a rational sense of justice, truth and proportion, regardless of word scams.

    A more contemporary example is this word scam is on display in San Fransisco, where the term convicted felon is being replaced by justice involved. The goal of the scam is to change reality into a delusion, so further scams can be run. For example, felons are not allowed to vote, but there is no law that formally states that justice involved cannot vote.

    Or changing the term homeless, to self domiciled, they can solve the homeless problem, without doing actually anything. Do not let the Progressive frame any discussion, since it uses word game to set up the deception. Stay in touch with hard reality.
     
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  2. Augustus

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    Their misleading discussion of taqiyya certainly is.

    He actually is reasonably knowledgeable in this regard, although he certainly doesn't present it in an unbiased manner.

    Polemical cherry-picking and selective representation are not the same as being ignorant of a subject.

    Sharia applies to all Muslims.

    What constitutes Sharia and to what extent local laws take precedence over certain aspects of the sharia is a more complex theological question which will elicit a wide range of answers.

    But for a simple example, the fatwa against Salman Rushdie wasn't limited to countries that enforce Islamic Law.
     
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  3. Polymath257

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    Yes, in a free society, a person has the right to be a jerk. When Serano immersed a crucifix in urine, Christians got bent out of shape. They claimed it was sacrilege. When 'The Last Temptation of Christ' came out, Christians around the world were appalled. There were protests at theaters and the showing was occasionally cancelled.

    But guess what? Those artists had the right to do exactly what they did. And the people against them had the right to *peacefully* protest.

    But what those in opposition do NOT have the right to do is make death threats. They do NOT have the right to kill others because they are 'offended'. THAT is how things work in a free society.

    Quite right. And we need to focus more on *Christian* fundamentalist terrorism. I will grant you that.

    The obvious solution is to get rid of the hornets. And this is NOT saying that we shoudl get rid of Moslems. The vast majority of Moslems, like the vast majority of Christians, and the vast majority of people are good, law abiding people who just want good lives. But, in all camps, there are hornets. And those hornets need to be removed.

    I am against theocracy, whether it be Islamic, Christian, Jewish, or any other type.
     
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  4. Epic Beard Man

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    True. Nothing was against the law, however it doesn't change the fact that Marine Le Pen was ordered to undergo a psychiatric examination.

    People are supposed to obey the laws period, Muslim or not.

    It wasn't Muslims that did it, it was criminals. If I decided to take someone's life for malicious reasons am I doing it because I'm black, or because I'm Baptist Christian, or am I doing it because I'm a criminal committing a crime with malicious intent?

    Right-Wing Crusader's Anti-Muslim Ads Provoke Ban on Political Ads on NYC Transit

    Thank you for the correction as I was confusing the two, but even more thanks that you've acknowledged it factual that they've engaged in bigoted anti-Muslim activity as well.

    Ok. I've also heard fiery rhetoric from inflammatory pastors as well. I don't think fiery brimstone cast-you-in-hell and death to you all rhetoric is unique to street Imams and the Muslim community.

    No. Considering he is not even educated in the academic understanding of Islam, I'd take his viewpoint liken to that to an armchair online scholar.

    Because you're anti-Muslim so of course confirmation bias is the best thing to maintain the ego.

    Well, it is my profession actually....That is not to say people suffering from mental disorders are incapable of genius thought, but someone coming from a psychotic background making outlandish claims with no formal educational background on the subject matter makes there grievances moot.

    You've set no rules. your initial post is that of a rant. The OP is pure dialectical with no substantive breakdown on the subject matter.

    The fact that their views are controversial, the fact that some were banned on twitter for those views, the fact that some were being investigated for inflammatory speech that incites violence all relating to Islam or Muslims definitely alone has categorized them as Islamophobic according to the sources I've overlooked.

    Already have, but the thing is you cannot bring facts to someone willing to argue against them especially if it does not confirm what you believe. These are right wing nut jobs. The facts I bring are outside that. You'll disregard them so it's a pointless endeavor to make an attempt because I don't see it going nowhere.

    But still nothing. Most attacks are done by domestic terrorist mostly right wing nut jobs.

    This makes no sense. Most terrorist attacks are done by domestic citizens but a smaller percentage of attacks done by Muslims commit a much larger percentage? That makes absolutely no sense. Are you doing a breakdown on geography?
     
  5. Epic Beard Man

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    According to you they do....You need to do more research on fundamentalist Christians in the United States.
     
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    There are 54 countries in Africa, which one of them are like this?

    Extremism is extremism. Because these Christians are a minority and because extremism exist yes they (Christians) will be persecuted just as Bangladeshi Muslims and Indian Muslims will be persecuted by a Hindu majority. This is the nature of demographics.
     
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    Maybe "Islamodisgustia" ?
     
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    Anybody that has an axe to grind can be reasonably knowledgeable on a subject matter especially if they choose to cherry pick Quranic verses along with other aspects of Islam to suit their own biases. I'd be more impressed considering his antics that he were an Islamic scholar who held anti-Muslim views.

    Quite the contrary especially if one cherry picks without the substantial knowledge and command of the Arabic language in conjunction to the contextual history to which Quranic verses were made. Many people make this mistake online all the time.

    As I understand it, there is not one Muslim community here in Southern California that enforces Shari'ah Law. Most Muslims live by secular law. For example one may divorce in accordance to Islamic tradition but one still has to go by the state government to divorce. There is no advertisements to any "Qadi" on television nor am I aware of any Islamic courts in California. Hence is why I mentioned countries that enforce them. Here in the United States, banning aside there are no indications here that the Muslim community is practicing Shari'ah Law.

    Stupid fatwas are issued all the time, that is nothing new in the Muslim community. Hell a religious edict can be made against a Barber.
     
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    Right and in a free society the consequence of such rights is that one may be on the receiving end of a well placed fist or being shot or worse. As the saying goes freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequence.

    What I've learned is there is no such thing as absolute free speech. If you believe this try being a racist on social media and work at a hospital or a small business and let that get posted to the public. More than likely you'll be fired. Regardless of private views your views are an extension of thought and undoubtedly will get you in trouble. Although we are a democratic republic (at least the U.S. is), we still have rules.

    I agree.
     
  10. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Nothing? You seriously believe this?

    Would you like to put your claim to the test?
     
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  11. LuisDantas

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    That is no argument. At all. Not when one can with more justification point out that Islaam is both "anti-" atheism, Christianity and Judaism. For starters.
     
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    Again prevention means attacks didn't happen. Police foiled 3 massive shootings couple weeks ago. Doesn't change the fact that more right-wing terrorist are doing the terrorism not extremist Muslims regardless of the prevention done by FBI, CIA or military.
     
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    That wasn't meant to be an argument but an opinion based on the observation here.
     
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    That is actually something that ought to be done. While there are excesses, they are few and far between, and we all deserve to notice that.
     
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    That is actually something that ought to be done. While there are excesses, they are few and far between, and we all deserve to notice that.
     
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    I, for one, am not at all afraid of your speech. I'm disgusted by it -- appalled by its ignorance and revolted by its bigotry. But I also realize that it's important that such nativist drivel can be expressed if only so we know that there is still a battle to be waged, not against Islam, but against the xenophobes.
     
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    You seem to be assuming that something or other is "coming". Can you explain what, please?
     
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    "Journalists." o_O

    IIRC, Lauren Southern harassed people outside of a British mosque and then was denied entry the next time she tried to enter the UK.
     
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    And if someone commits assault (hitting with a fist) or intended murder (shooting), they should be brought to trial and convicted under the laws.

    Yes, and one of the *major* rules is that you don't threaten to kill others. Even if what the other person does is offensive. So, killing a racist would not be tolerated. Threatening their life is still against the law.

    Yes, there are consequences for being a racist. Often, especially in places like hospitals, where the goal is to provide equal service for everyone, there is a strong risk of losing a job. And yes, that is a consequence of being publicly racist.

    And a company *does* have the right to refuse to hire someone who offends them. If someone wants to deny Serano a position in their firm, that is allowed. But there is a HUGE difference between refusing to hire and threatening to kill. There is a huge difference between protesting and promoting the killing of others. That is the difference between an ordinary person and a hornet, in my mind.
     
  20. Raymann

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    They did it specifically to defend their religion. That was the whole point, they were offended and killed defending their prophet. It was done by Muslim fanatics, very much Muslims.
    You don't get to decide who is a Muslim and who is not.
    If they say they are Muslims then you have to take their word for it.
    From Wikipedia: "went to college at Old Dominion University where he earned a bachelor's degree. He later earned a doctorate in philosophy in the philosophy of religion from Fordham University.[11][12][13] While studying at Old Dominion University, he was challenged to convert to Islam by his roommate, Nabeel Qureshi (an Ahmadi), and went about investigating the life of Muhammad using the earliest sources, including Ibn Ishaq's Life of Muhammad (the earliest extant biography of Muhammad); the hadith collections of Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim (considered by Sunni Muslims to be the two most reliable or sahih collections of Muhammad's statements, actions, and example); and the History of the Prophets and Kings by Al-Tabari (one of Islam's greatest historians)."
    I wouldn't say he is not educated in the subject, he is just as educated as any Islamic Scholar is.
    I think it is pretty unique to Islam this kind of aggressive preaching. I haven't seen that from Christians or any other religion. Call it as it is.
    What David Wood wrote is just a description of the Islamic philosophy which you don't understand and he, on the other hand, is an expert on. He wrote nothing but the truth.
    Let me do it one more time. Based on the study of the last 30 terrorist attacks in the US. Considering that the US has 300 million habitants. 4 of 30 were done by Muslims.
    4 of 30 represents 13.3%. Muslims in the US are only 1%.
    1% of Muslims committed 13% of terrorist attacks in the US.
    99% of Americans committed 87% of the attacks.
    Is it too difficult for you to understand that Muslims are more likely to commit terrorist attacks than Americans?
     
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