Islamic Polygamy On The Way Out?

[Ellen Brown]

I just saw a short article that stated the Head of the Supreme Mosque, Al Azhar, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb is calling for the end of Muslim Polygamy. That amid the call for some groups to use it to end elderly women being alone. I wonder how this will come out?

While the practice is secretive in the western world, it is still done, even in America.

“One wife is enough”: Al Azhar Grand Imam calls for reform of polygamy - رصيف 22

 

[Firemorphic]

Well it's never been that common of a practice to begin with, so it's not surprising in the least.

 

[robocop (actually)]

All I can think is that Muslims seem to have no shortage of practices to keep people chaste. I kind of like it.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I don't like female circumcision so much.

 

[Firemorphic]

All I can think is that Muslims seem to have no shortage of practices to keep people chaste. I kind of like it.

I consider that sexuality is put in it's rightful place in Islam, it's seen in a very positive light but two things are valued with the most serious importance: Modesty and Family.

I don't like female circumcision so much.

Or any kind for that matter, the Qur'an explicitly prohibits it.

 

[Shiranui117]

Or any kind for that matter, the Qur'an explicitly prohibits it.

Really? Could you give a reference for this? I've never heard of any Qur'anic statement either way on this matter.

Would you happen to know why people in some Islamic countries do it?

 

[robocop (actually)]

Or any kind for that matter, the Qur'an explicitly prohibits it.

So there's no male circumcision? Don't they trim pubic hair to make it harder for a young man to enjoy masturbation? What would be the point if they didn't circumcise?

 

[Firemorphic]

Really? Could you give a reference for this? I've never heard of any Qur'anic statement either way on this matter.

Firstly in Islamic theology itself there is the concept of Fitra which necessitates the truth that the human body itself (among many other things) in it's natural state is not a mistake, therefore making circumcision a violation of God's creation.

Here's a few verses:

(Allah is) "Who has perfected everything He created." (32:7)
"Certainly We created man in the best make." (95:4)
(the Shaitan says) "And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation;
and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss.
He gives them promises and excites vain desires in them; and the Shaitan does not promise them but to deceive." (4:119-120)

There are so many more verses that say explicitly that we are created perfectly, which cannot be taken lightly. Logically consider that if mutilating animals is considered deception from the Shaitan, then what does that mean for humans mutilating each other/themselves? who are considered the most important of all Allah's creation.

Would you happen to know why people in some Islamic countries do it?

Two things: There are Hadiths that support it (which are wrongly instigated) and there are cross-cultural aspects, as well as a form of import from Jewish practice.

 

[Firemorphic]

So there's no male circumcision?

I never said that, yet people still go against what the Qur'an says, unfortunately.

Don't they trim pubic hair to make it harder for a young man to enjoy masturbation?

I said we view sexuality in a positive light, not that we support masturbation or sleeping around - both of which are prohibited (Haram). Psychology itself is the major area we think about it, especially from the perspective of self-discipline and the way that lacking self-control over the carnal-self effects one's Ego among other things. Then there is the Ethical aspect as well.

What would be the point if they didn't circumcise?

Are you pro-circumcision?

 

[Lyndon]

This is the Sunni DIR by the way, whole lot of new Sunnis contributing!!!

 

[Ellen Brown]

This is the Sunni DIR by the way, whole lot of new Sunnis contributing!!!

I was very moderate Sunni. I do not see their posts.

 

[robocop (actually)]

I never said that, yet people still go against what the Qur'an says, unfortunately.



I said we view sexuality in a positive light, not that we support masturbation or sleeping around - both of which are prohibited (Haram). Psychology itself is the major area we think about it, especially from the perspective of self-discipline and the way that lacking self-control over the carnal-self effects one's Ego among other things. Then there is the Ethical aspect as well.



Are you pro-circumcision?

Please tell me whether they perform male circumcision and whether it's in the Qu'Ran. Also, since I am not Sunni Muslim, you may tell me to leave if you desire.

 

[Firemorphic]

Please tell me whether they perform male circumcision and whether it's in the Qu'Ran.

Islamic Polygamy On The Way Out?

Also, since I am not Sunni Muslim, you may tell me to leave if you desire.

I'm not a Sunni either.........

 

[robocop (actually)]

Islamic Polygamy On The Way Out?



I'm not a Sunni either.........

Alright, the link will suffice.

 

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[Wasp]

No, polygamy isn't on the way out.

Clearly Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayeb is not calling for the end of polygamy.

"He added that polygamy is a right for husbands but is “a limited right,” adding: “It can be said that it is permissible but needs a reason… if this reason does not exist then this is no longer justifiable.” “Polygamy is allowed on condition of fairness and if there is no fairness then it is forbidden to remarry,” he said."

“One wife is enough”: Al Azhar Grand Imam calls for reform of polygamy - رصيف 22

He is criticising the way some Muslims practice it.

 

[Ellen Brown]

No, polygamy isn't on the way out.

Clearly Sheikh Ahmad Al-Tayeb is not calling for the end of polygamy.

"He added that polygamy is a right for husbands but is “a limited right,” adding: “It can be said that it is permissible but needs a reason… if this reason does not exist then this is no longer justifiable.” “Polygamy is allowed on condition of fairness and if there is no fairness then it is forbidden to remarry,” he said."

“One wife is enough”: Al Azhar Grand Imam calls for reform of polygamy - رصيف 22

He is criticising the way some Muslims practice it.

As Salaam Alaikum: I would have no idea where to find this story, but Allah SWT, through the Angel, told Muhammad PBUH to have only one wife. When he complained, eventually he was told 3 or 4 wives, but they all must be treated equally and supported. So, if a man wanted to be most pleasing to Allah SWT, he would have one wife.

 

[Ellen Brown]

Last time I was in Arabia I was surrounded by young men in their early 30s.. driver, camera crew and translator .
.two of them were engaged to marry . We had some interesting discussions...followed by time I spent with the all nada society. More recently I have been reading that the ahe for women to marry has gone up to 22. 6 or7 children used to be the norm.. now it's 4 or 5.

I do not understand what you were saying.

 

[Wasp]

As Salaam Alaikum: I would have no idea where to find this story, but Allah SWT, through the Angel, told Muhammad PBUH to have only one wife. When he complained, eventually he was told 3 or 4 wives, but they all must be treated equally and supported. So, if a man wanted to be most pleasing to Allah SWT, he would have one wife.

That's a horrendous story. I don't believe it. I also don't belive there is any ruling according to which having only one wife is better.

 

[Ellen Brown]

That's a horrendous story. I don't believe it. I also don't belive there is any ruling according to which having only one wife is better.

Guess what? You get to lead your own life the way you want to.