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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Sep 18, 2019.

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  1. adrian009

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    Those numbers have been a shot of reality for a few of us so thanks again for your thread. Hindus have had their experiences with Islam as have the Baha’is. We know first hand. I don’t think we’re having any trouble understanding each other despite our different faiths. I think too many people are being called Islamophobic for simply speaking the truth. There are extremists on the right undeniably. But if those who are moderate and fair minded are being labeled Islamophobic, it just becomes so much harder to have the much needed conversations.
     
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  2. Epic Beard Man

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    I've really given up trying to explain things to people regarding Islam here because there isn't enough academically minded people here to have that intelligent discussion without all the common hurtful rhetoric you see from bigots.

    You see, you cannot have that here, just like you cannot have meaningful discussions on race and politics if there are people who populate online discussion forums of a particular anti-Islam perspective. If this site is overwhelmingly anti-Islam on the basis on what is being shown in the media then that is what it is. The common denominator I've seen here is that many of these so-called anti-Muslims don't have a personal relationship with an actual Muslim aside from your average fire-and-brimstone Imam or some extremist preacher they see on YouTube.

    Bottom line is no matter how long you can post in defense of what Islam is not, that will not satiate the mind that has already been made to believe Islam and its adherents are evil. In my opinion it's a waste of time.
     
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  3. LuisDantas

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    @Epic Beard Man , @firedragon , stating that there are facts supporting the dignity of Islaam is no substitute for actually having them.

    Far as facts are concerned, Islaam is... very difficult to respect or to defend, unfortunately.
     
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    Islamaphobe: "All Muslims are terrorists!"

    Realist: "Only 10%-plus of Muslims are fundamentalist to the Qu'ran, so only about 150 million people want to destroy Israel and America."
     
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    The population of Nazi Germany was only 90 million. So the 'kill all' Muslim extremists outnumber the worst regime in the history of the world.
     
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    rubbish!!!
     
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    You're not much for conversation, are you? Just blurt and run.
     
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    Ha! Nice dodge!

    The variations used in the ME and North Africa, and Indonesia, and SW Asia. Which is where almost all of the world's Muslims live.
     
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  9. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    you obviously don't even have a clue where sharia is used
     
  10. firedragon

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    Nice. Thanks.
     
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    Well said. A prize in order. Super.
     
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    Too vague. Seems like you dont know the topic.
     
  13. icehorse

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    A couple of rebuttals to the OP:

    1 - All scripture is incoherent to varying degrees, and Islamic scripture is no exception. It ofter contradicts itself. Because that's the case, citing individual verses proves nothing. For every verse you cite, contradictory verses can be found. There is no "proof" to be found.

    2 - The critics of Islam that you mention in your OP do NOT take the position that Islam is all bad. They simply argue that the claims Islam makes for itself do not hold up to scrutiny. The instant that apologists for Islam back off of their claims of Islam's perfection, an actual conversation can begin. As an apologist, it's not good enough for you to show us that SOMETIMES Islam is okay. SOMETIMES is incompatible with claims of perfection.
     
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    So when Mohammed invaded country after country, and killed men, women, and children, he was the scum of the earth ? How about the Muslim invasion of India, where genocide was practiced ? The Sikhś especially got special treatment, boiled alive, roasted over open fires, was this invasion and brutal slaughter conducted by, and approved by, the scum of the earth ?
     
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    So 150 million fundamentalists doesn't strike you as a problem?
     
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    I put more effort into my response than you did into your question. Perhaps you're the one who doesn't know the topic?

    Next, please stop slurring posters. We're all expressing ideas and opinions, and no one has made you the judge.
     
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    More slurs from Lyndon.

    I would say that I do know where Sharia is used. If you disagree with any or all of the five claims I made in my post, then address the claims, don't slur me.
     
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    It was never illegal to be gay in the US. The US did have sodomy laws which were part of a large group of "morality" laws which included adultery, bigamy, incest, etc. Those laws were used to target gay acts thus gays.

    The reforms in the Ottoman empire were secular based not Islamic based. The religious powers were part of a coup to overthrow a moderate leadership and reimplement the old systems. They won.
     
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    No no. Very well said. Great analysis.
     
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    Keep in mind party membership was mandatory. More so many supported the war due to the Versailles Treaty which the Nazi's used as a reason for war and land grabs.
     
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