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Featured Islam: What Muslims teach children in Dutch schools

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by stvdv, Sep 14, 2019.

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  1. 1: No worries, it will blow over (This is Islamophobia)

  2. 2: I do worry, "Muslims who teach killing is okay" won't just blow over

  3. 3: Koran contains violent verses

  4. 4: Violent verses in Koran are dangerous in the West

  5. 5: Responsibility of highest Imam to do something now

  6. 6: Act now or Islamophobia becomes reality

  7. 7: I do not believe this happened; it's a hoax

  8. 8: I believe Allah does want Muslims to teach this

  9. 9: I believe Allah does NOT want Muslims to teach this

  10. 10: I believe Muslims should be free to teach this

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  1. QuestioningMind

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    Wow... way to completely ignore MY point. All I'm saying is that it's RADICAL religious followers who are the problem... doesn't matter WHAT religion they happen to follow. Why are you only focused on radical Muslims?
     
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  2. stvdv

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    :)Well said:)
     
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  3. InChrist

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    If that is true, then it seems more prominent Muslims would speak up and say so.
    I think the bottom line is that when any Christian engages in violence in the name of Christ, he is doing so in direct disobedience to Jesus Christ who said that... whoever lives by the sword will die by the sword (Matthew 26:52). While on the other hand, the teachings and example of Muhammad are the opposite and Islam has throughout history been spread by the sword.
     
  4. QuestioningMind

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    Check your history, my friend. Currently Christianity isn't 'spread by the sword', but for most of its history it was. There's nothing that radical Muslims do today that wasn't common among Christians in the past. And the Christians in the past definitely did NOT consider themselves to be disobedient against god.
     
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    No they aren't.. Its forbidden to kill anyone in the Koran including pagans unless they attack Muslims. Where did you get your crappy teaching from?
     
  6. stvdv

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    I like this reply. Thanks.

    I totally agree that RADICAL religious followers usually end up creating the problems
    I mean, I am also very RADICAL; as in sticking to only 2 verses in the Bible most of the time OR "focus ONLY on radical Muslims;)
    1) "never belittle others"
    2) "love they neighbor as thyself"
    (not sure if that falls under radical though; Bible lover might think it's a bit radical not to read other nice Bible verses)

    Why I only focus on radical Muslims?
    a) I am a guy. Women are good in multitasking some say (I am not), I rather fully focus on 1 issue, till finished, then continue to the next
    b) One OP with 1 issue is nice and clear
    c) Don't worry, next time I might focus on radical Atheists and radical Christians (I thought it would be nice to give Christians a little break now)

    Why you ask "Why you only focus on radical Muslims?"
    a) The Imam in the "last spoiler" in the OP seemed to be fine to focus completely on this "serious Muslim/Islam issue"
    b) This is now a major Dutch problem. And Dutch being tooooo tolerant need to step up their game. Too soft, too long.
    c) Muslim in special should be very pleased that this issue is solved quick, because radical Muslims destroy image of Islam
     
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    I appreciate the honesty.

    Also, I fully believe you. I quite wish I could afford not to.
     
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    Again, those Christians in the past who spread their religion as an arm of the state were in direct opposition to Christ, whether they thought so or not.
     
  9. QuestioningMind

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    And peaceful Muslims will tell you that Muslims who spread their religion with violence are in direct opposition to the teachings of the Koran. The reason you don't hear more of them speaking out against it is the exact same reason that peaceful Christians didn't speak out against violent Christians when Christianity was being spread by the sword. People who are surrounded by religious radicals risk their lives if they speak out too loudly. But here in America and other nations around the world you hear prominent Muslims strongly denouncing the actions of Islamist radicals.
     
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    Thank you for starting this OP. It is an extremely disturbing development to say the least.
     
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    They call themselves Muslim. Who are we to say otherwise? More than half of Muslims believe the Sharia is the revealed will of God. Of those, about a third believe that adulterers should be stoned and that people who leave Islam should be beheaded.

    Who are the real Muslims? These radicals aren't some tiny faction. They are a significant minority in the Muslim world.
     
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  12. stvdv

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    If a killer tells you "I love you", while you just saw him kill someone
    What do you believe, your eyes or your ears?

    So I agree with you. They decide to define Islam in their way. Very good, their freedom as in "Freedom of Religion"

    My common sense tells me:
    1) "Never, ever let any Muslim enter my country, until this radicalism (stoning women, killing homos, atheist, infidels...) is eliminated from Islam"
     
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    When they start flying planes into sky scrapers then we can make a meaningful comparison.
     
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  14. stvdv

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    I was wondering yesterday ... is this for real? ... but I was not in a creative mood, so Iet this one pass
    It did cross my mind that RF seems to be in "hibernation mode" when it comes to Islam
    Not even see what is real and what is not, comparing apples with butterflies
    As if 9/11 is forgotten; in Holland some say it was CIA who did this
    I almost started to believe this ... then 9/11 I saw this happen in Holland
    Probably 9/11 CIA conspiracy is out of the Dutch mind now .. back on track

    What a "beautiful" wake up call you created .. to the point
     
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    Thank you Adrian. Very well said "Very disturbing... to say the least". I do hope the Dutch government now takes the right steps and treats them as terrorists (recruiting small kids in schools, where they should feel safe, for Jihad in the Middle East)

    I know the Dutch are weak ... 20 years ago I was in a bus and a Muslim woman said to me out of the blue "Dutch men are weak, in 20 years Holland is ours (will be a Muslim country)". Back then I thought, wow if this is what Muslims way of gratitude is, then they better move back ... can't be fast/soon enough

    So to me it seems that it is not just 1 Muslim in the desert thinking this way. There are many, and now we have proof that this has been all along the intention of the Islam in the Middle East who send these teachers with teaching instructions to Holland (and my guess also to Danmark, Sweden, Norway, Germany). This is all meticulously planned as Dutch CIA found out ... very advanced methods using the internet.

    Exception is Russia. I saw 1 year ago a video in which Putin was the man with the balls, kicking disobedient Muslims in the butt, out of Russia. He said something like (out of the top of my head): Muslims are welcome in Russia, they are welcome if they gratefully respect our Christian based culture. If they believe Islamic culture is better for them, I will be very happy to help them move to an Islamic Culture ... Middle East or so.

    When I saw Putin say this, I thought, wow, way to go Putin. You did that very well. Respect to the country who invites you in, is very essential.
     
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    Hello Adrian, I got the feeling, that you are working in a multi cultural and religion environment. Have you ever sensed this? It is not easy to sense though. I mean for many years they did this before the Dutch CIA discovered it (took ca. 1 year to get all the proof, using hidden cameras).

    This year I went to a mosque to feel for myself, and check out how much truth was in "Islam is Religion of Peace". On the surface they were nice, but I did sense quite a few things that felt wrong, but was not totally sure. Until a friend of mine started saying all kinds of weird things. He started discriminating women (keep them on a short leash or they have sex with all men they see) and discriminating Christians, belittling Jesus, disgusted about Christmas. I did not understand where that came from, till I saw the video in the OP. Exactly the same brainwash he has gone through, I can see now.

    So from personal experience I would say, be very careful. Looking back, I can say that Islam in Holland (50 out of 52 schools were infected) is as dangerous (or more) than those brainwashing sects (mostly Christian) that now and then hit the news all over. Luckily those sect usually have less than 50-100 members. Here we talk about 10% of all Dutch population getting infected with this fundamentalist Muslim virus and when they refuse to cooperate they and their family are threatened (serious threats). This is confirmed as shown in the OP by an Imam, telling us that because of threats all Muslims just did what the Islam from the Middle East ordered them to teach to their children.
     
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    Thank you, that is very true. Important information.

    Do you have any examples to share, unless of course they will be killed if you mention their names.

    Americans got quite tense when our "friend Kim" got a bit pushy towards his tiny red button. Though tiny, most Americans peed their pants.
    (At least that was the news presented in Holland, can be a bit faked of course ... we know Trump is all about "fake it till you make it", or not?)

    I also do remember that Trump acted quite proactive telling brother Kim "My nuclear button is bigger and more powerful ..."

    Trump did not say "but there are 99% good North Korean". NO ... there was only 1 "Bad Boy" and he needed to be addressed ... with force

    Same in Holland. Thousands of young Muslim children have already been brainwashed. All potential "Bad Boy Kim" terrorists waiting to nuke
     
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    Fully agreed. Thanks

    Hence my very clear "Muslim ONLY" thread this time ... because this was a serious, what I call even terrorist, matter
     
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    Somehow I suspect that if the KKK decided to lynch you that the difference between dying in a plane crash or dangling from the end of a rope wouldn't seem that significant. The methods might be different but the actions are equally as vile.
     
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    Sorry, but I don't have a clue what the above is supposed to mean.
     
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