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Islam in the Tanakh and the Bible

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Fatihah, Apr 24, 2009.

  1. Fatihah

    Fatihah New Member

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    In order for one to claim a religion to be true or best for humanity, one should first study and compare all religions first. Throughout my comparative studies, I've noticed many similarities between the three largest of the monotheistic religions; judaism, islam and christianity.

    According to the teachings of islam, the religion (islam) did not begin with Muhammad but with Adam who is the first man and prophet and the religion's traditions and customs stem from the practices and religion of Abraham. Both Adam and Abraham as well as many other prophets play an important role in the foundation and teachings of all three religions. Could it be that the similarities between islam and the other two religions are due to the fact that the bible and the tanakh teaches islam as well? Let's have a dialogue.
     
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  2. themadhair

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    Isn’t there are a simpler explanation involving their common origins and that they were all derived from the same source?
     
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  3. A-ManESL

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    Note that the Quran states that the Islamic deen is the the original religion of Abraham, from where Judaism and Christianity trace their roots. That is the sense with which it refers to Islam.

    The Islam as we know it today is one of the coherent and solidified form of the ideas which make up the base of these Abrahamic religions.

    If you are interested in monotheistic religions, please do not discount non-Abrahamic religions like Sikhism. Also please note that monotheism overlaps with other isms too (pantheism, monism etc) and hence is not necessarily exclusive with religious traditions such as hinduism.
     
  4. Alla Prima

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    A claim made after the fact (or rather the original written myth of Adam) which renders meaningless the claim.
     
  5. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist Staff Member Premium Member

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    Technically in this regard, it would be more accurate to say that Islam teaches Judaism. I challenge any Hebrew speaking Jewish person to read the Qur'an in Hebrew, and they will recognize the Jewish fingerprints, they will encounter Qur'anic stories that have been presaged before in Jewish lore and in the Talmud, and of course in the Hebrew Bible.
     
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  6. Fatihah

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    Response: But what source is that?
     
  7. Fatihah

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    Response: The other "isms" as you say are not over looked. I'm interested in all religions but the similarities between christianity, judaism and islam are so close in comparison to the others that it is very captivating and despite the differences between the three, I find it very interesting to see the traditions and customs of islam in the tanakh and the bible even though Muhammad arrived centuries after both judaism and christianity.
     
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    Response: Then if this is the case, that would mean that Muhammad was copying old jewish stories. Well, who specifically did he copy from and why is it that people did not realize the plagarism as you have realized it?
     
  9. Fatihah

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    Response: What claim are you speaking of?
     
  10. Alla Prima

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    The claim I boldened in your comment.

     
  11. Caladan

    Caladan Agnostic Pantheist Staff Member Premium Member

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    First, its you who chooses to say that the Hebew Bible teaches Islam. the Hebrew Bible teaches Israelite traditions, Israelite history and folklore, ANE history and folklore, Hebrew literature and poetry, etc.

    Muhammad is not mentioned in the Hebrew Bible, because he is a much later figure. however the Israelite and Jewish prophets, kings and messangers, and indeed the fate of the people of Israel as an entire nation are discussed extensively in the Qur'an.
    tell me, when did Arabs start to consider Abraham as a patriarch?
    when you provide an answer.. think of the long duration in which the Jews have considered Abraham to be a patriarch and a pioneer for monotheism.

    I have never claimed on this forum plagriarism by Islam of Judaism. however when specific Muslim members choose to make religio-centric claims, I will make sure to remind them that Moses the Hebrew is mentioned hundreds of times in the Qur'an, while Muhammad is mentioned a handful of times.
     
  12. ProudMuslim

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    [quote=Caladan;1518178]First, its you who chooses to say that the Hebew Bible teaches Islam. the Hebrew Bible teaches Israelite traditions, Israelite history and folklore, ANE history and folklore, Hebrew literature and poetry, etc.[/quote]


    By Islam i think we are referring to the submission of God's will. I believe Judaism was the first of the Abrahamic religions to convey and stick by this message.



    Muhammed (PBUH) might not be mentioned by name in the Hebrew Bible, but there are some passages that, we believe, indicate to his coming.



    That is a good question. I don't think there is a definite answer to it, but i'd say probably back to the times of Ishmael (PBUH) who lived among the Arabs. Ishmael (PBUH) taught them about his father, their message and definitely about monotheism. As a proof, pagan Arabs always hold the place Mecca (Paran in Hebrew Bible) sacred. At some point in history and probably due to the absence of proper recording to Ishmael (PBUH) teachings and lack of prophets/messengers sent to that area, pagan arabs practiced again polytheism but with monotheism veil.




    That is true and we have pride in that.
     
  13. themadhair

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    Zoroastrianism?
     
  14. Kodanshi

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    People he met, and this is the one thing which even the Qur’ân logs! It says that people claimed he copies tales day and night, but the Qur’ân goes on to say it isn’t true. But that obviously means people were actually accusing him of that!
     
  15. ProudMuslim

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    Of course they were and still some do, but the funny thing is that we don't claim we are a seperate religion, we don't claim that Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) is the one and only prophet that God has sent to humanity. Islam stance is clear on the previous Abrahamic faith: they are divine, have orignally came with the same message and that Islam is the successor of them.

    So its not that Muhammed (PBUH) copied from other scriptures, but its that prophet Muhammed (PBUH) confirmed some of the messages/passages conveyed in those scriptures.
     
  16. Kodanshi

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    …by copying them. And getting them wrong. Hence why he had to claim that Jews and Christians had corrupted their own teachings…
     
  17. ProudMuslim

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    Copying is when you replicate, reproduce or imtate. The Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) confirmed, we are not obliged to follow exactly Mosaic Laws even thought they are confirmed as divine.

    By i dont understand what do you mean "and getting them wrong"?
     
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    That's because they did currupt it. And I'm positive if we are keen enough, we would find out that Muslims are doing the exact same thing.
     
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  20. Fatihah

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    Response: Zoroastrianism? What exactly is that and how does it relate to Muhammad and islam?
     
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