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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by firedragon, Nov 27, 2021.

  1. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Yeah. But its not in the Quran.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    But you believe in hadith blindly. Muslims dont.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Nope. I gave you many scholar nuances which since you dont have an intention to follow up with, nor the basic knowledge, you ignored it all.

    Nevertheless, it is you who believes hadith to insult Islam but otherwise you dont. ;) So obviously you think others are just like you.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    Nope.

    They are called Annisaa. Women. Not babies, young girls, prepubescent or anything.

    I will repeat a 100 times, you will ignore it a million times. No problem.
     
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    muhammad_isa Well-Known Member
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    It's already been explained in this thread.
    It is possible to marry a girl before they reach puberty, by an agreement with her parents.

    Marriage should not be consummated before puberty.
    Suggesting that G-d says it is OK to do so is your opinion.
    That is not what I believe, nor is it the belief of Muslims in general.
     
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    firedragon Veteran Member

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    @KWED

    You said I have no knowledge in Classical Arabic right? TO criticise others you should have some ability right?

    So could you give me a few examples of differences between Classical Arabic and the modern day arabic?

    Lets say, how about a word like "Dhurabauhoo". How would it differ?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    KWED Well-Known Member

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    By definition, if Islam is not true, all Muslims have been hoodwinked.
    Given that all religions claim to be true but all cannot be true, and there is no evidence to support any of their claims, it is entirely likely that all Muslims have indeed been hoodwinked.

    And yet religionists are unable to present anything that amounts to actual "evidence". They only provide assertions and beliefs and fallacies and misunderstandings.

    So there is objective evidence, but Allah has deliberately blinded billions of people to it. So where is their free will?

    Once again you are showing that belief is something determined by god, not by our free will.

    I have noticed that when religionists find their arguments being constantly refuted or their contradictions highlighted, they often revert to dogmatic platitudes.
     
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    KWED Well-Known Member

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    If someone hates racism or misogyny, do you similarly dismiss their arguments against those things?
    (Although I havent seen anything that constitutes "hate" in their posts, just reasonable criticism)
     
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    Perhaps you are not familiar with how Islam works.
    Deferring to the knowledge and interpretations of classical scholars is an integral part of understanding the Quran. Watch any lecture about Islam or Quran exegesis by Muslim speakers and you will see constant references to these scholars.
    It is highly hypocritical to accept these scholars when it suits but reject them when it doesn't.

    They are simply the tafsir I have access to. If you favour a different tafsir, feel free to present it.

    Muhammad "lived in times long ago". Do you similarly dismiss his pronouncements ar no longer relevant or meaningful?

    It is not an "apparent anomaly" It is the clear interpretation of several renowned scholars.
    If someone presents a similar number of similarly authoritative scholars who clearly explain that the verse does not refer to "those too young to have started menstruation", I will accept that as a reasonable counter argument, but I will probably also use it as evidence for the ambiguous and contradictory nature of the Quran and Islam.

    BTW, I try to address every response. I get quite a few so might miss some. Feel free to point out any that I have missed.
     
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    Wrong.

    Unlike you to present a dishonest straw man. What's got into you brother?
     
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    KWED Well-Known Member

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    Oh sorry. I did not realise you are a Quranist.
    Fair enough. We can therefore agree that the Quran is unclear on the issue and leave it at that.
    Sorry to have wasted your time.
     
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    I accept that hadith are an integral part of Islamic ideology and belief.
    Which of those words are you struggling with.
     
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    More speculation.

    The Quran is Muhaymeenoon mate. Maybe if you just put a bit of time into theology you will know. And I have already given you many discussions on it. Basics. If you wish, you can learn.
     
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    :confused:
     
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    Yeah. But you believe them blindly. Muslims dont. I have given you the discussions. Try to engage with them.
     
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    Thats what you said mate. Its a steal man. So never mind. It seems like you are taking it back without admitting to it. No problem .
     
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    You can't understand this because you are "deliberately blinded".
    Allah SWT is not a person. He is closer to you than your jugular vein.
    He is "part of you", if you will.

    So how does G-d "deliberately blind" somebody?
    It is well known in psychology, that a person can consciously believe something to be true or false, while their unconscious believes the OPPOSITE.
    In effect, by one's initial choice to deny, one blinds themself.
    That means that it is not G-d, as in third person, that is responsible. Free-will is not negated, as if a person deep down in their unconscious mind "cries out for change", they can do so.

    No, as I have explained above. It is not the case.
     
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    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Yeah, the rest of "us" are whatever negative, but you are not a "you", because "you" are special.
     
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    What evidence?
     
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    OK. Then prove that it doesn't.

    Oh dear. Let's try again...
    If Allah is referring to females who have already been married, they he can use a term that refers to married females.
    If a female can be married age 6, then the term is applicable to a married female age 6. Because she is married.
     
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