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Isaiah says God will kill Jesus?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
According to Christian interpretation, the book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10

But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

I opened right up to that verse in my sacred book today.

So, the Father crushed him? Killed his only son? It seems to be a prophecy of the crucifixion? Well, I guess he's welcome to crush and kill me too. I hope I get some of the same rewards, just a little! :D
 
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you do not know the cause and effect
we say that one person dies in the second century and saves billions, and would the show condemn the one who killed him? or in the case of religion, it spread only because of his death, am I right? there is no Christianity without resurrection, and Christianity has brought a lot of good and bad, but how do we know that if it did not arise, the world would not be even worse? we don't know and that can be the cause
and also free will what does that mean? that we have a choice of good or evil and the unrighteous will die
take for example a person like you ask nonsensical questions every day without exploring the topic? how do you know it's about jesus? where is his name written? it's like taking cards and starting to prophesy in them and you would tell one person and that thing will happen to another in another century
as God says, we do not know his ways, nor are we able to understand why? his paths are unpredictable and you don't know what would happen if it didn't turn out the way it is
for example, will we say that the Wandering wins the war? where will it be? to total destruction right? but if god strikes or there is something in the plan that we don't know, the men will turn out otherwise I'm not right?
 

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
The book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10

But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

I opened right up to that verse in my sacred book today.

So, the Father crushed him? Killed his only son? It seems to be a prophecy of the crucifixion? Well, I guess he's welcome to crush and kill me too. I hope I get some of the same rewards, just a little! :D
No. You are basing this on an erroneous Christian misinterpretation of Isaiah 53.
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
The book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10

But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

I opened right up to that verse in my sacred book today.

So, the Father crushed him? Killed his only son? It seems to be a prophecy of the crucifixion? Well, I guess he's welcome to crush and kill me too. I hope I get some of the same rewards, just a little! :D
Only by the blood of Jesus can anyone receive those rewards. Only he is worthy. We have to trust in unearned favor of God.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
you do not know the cause and effect
we say that one person dies in the second century and saves billions, and would the show condemn the one who killed him? or in the case of religion, it spread only because of his death, am I right? there is no Christianity without resurrection, and Christianity has brought a lot of good and bad, but how do we know that if it did not arise, the world would not be even worse? we don't know and that can be the cause
and also free will what does that mean? that we have a choice of good or evil and the unrighteous will die
take for example a person like you ask nonsensical questions every day without exploring the topic? how do you know it's about jesus? where is his name written? it's like taking cards and starting to prophesy in them and you would tell one person and that thing will happen to another in another century
as God says, we do not know his ways, nor are we able to understand why? his paths are unpredictable and you don't know what would happen if it didn't turn out the way it is
for example, will we say that the Wandering wins the war? where will it be? to total destruction right? but if god strikes or there is something in the plan that we don't know, the men will turn out otherwise I'm not right?
First off, it isn't a nonsensical question in light of the fact that Christians teach that it is a Scripture that prophesies of the coming sufferings of Christ to atone for sin.

Also, I don't ask much from God.

I don't ask God to take my suffering away. If he wants me to live a life that is a suffering crucifixion and nightmare, I'll do it if it is the will of a sentient being wiser than myself.

I ask him for basic wisdom, instructions, understanding, and to give me an obedient spirit that obeys him, and the Holy Spirit to be guiding me, to help ease suffering, ignorance, misery, and injustice in our world, make a difference in those God places before me.

Even if I don't accomplish anything amazing, there is more I can do, if God would give me proper understanding. That is all I really ask!
 

InvestigateTruth

Well-Known Member
The book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10

But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

I opened right up to that verse in my sacred book today.

So, the Father crushed him? Killed his only son? It seems to be a prophecy of the crucifixion? Well, I guess he's welcome to crush and kill me too. I hope I get some of the same rewards, just a little! :D
I think that's right. Everything happened according to the will of God.
Those who apparently killed Jesus, were not the ones who killed Him. They were only instrument. But it was God who did it, to take Jesus up.


and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him. Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.



So, if a knife is used to kill, is the knife the killer, or the person who used the knife? Knife is only an instrument.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
No. You are basing this on an erroneous Christian misinterpretation of Isaiah 53.
I know, but most Christians interpret Isaiah 53 to be a prophecy of the coming suffering and death of Christ, as the lamb of God, offered up to redeem the world, and atone for sins with his suffering and blood, as an unblemished sacrificial "lamb of God , who takes away the sins of the world"!

You are Jewish, and I can and do respect that you don't hold that interpretation. The OP was directed at Christians who do hold that interpretation, that Isaiah 53 was talking about Christ!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I think that's right. Everything happened according to the will of God.
Those who apparently killed Jesus, were not the ones who killed Him. They were only instrument. But it was God who did it, to take Jesus up.


and for boasting, “We killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” But they neither killed nor crucified him—it was only made to appear so.1 Even those who argue for this ˹crucifixion˺ are in doubt. They have no knowledge whatsoever—only making assumptions. They certainly did not kill him. Rather, Allah raised him up to Himself. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.



So, if a knife is used to kill, is the knife the killer, or the person who used the knife? Knife is only an instrument.
Jesus even said in Scripture, "No man takes my life from me"...and when it was time for him to die, he said in the Gospel accounts, "Now has the time come for the Son of Man to be glorified!" ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Certainly not the first time.
Umm....Hello, you are a Christian Bible pastor right??

Christians, everyone I have talked to about Isaiah chapter 53 declares it is a prophecy about Jesus! You don't??o_O
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
A human is biology only.

A human man born a human baby the story human. Grew up into a human adult or are you going to lie?

Lives about 100 years and then dies.

A human.

A human says. Science technology pyramid science temples were causing life nature to combust...animals to.die....humans dying sacrificed.

He bled unnaturally from chemical held bonds blood cells bones human. He brain prickled gas spirit water heated flame above fell. Brain prickling as men's head thought scientific thesis.

The chemical leeching is perfumed as chemicals own perfume.

And you claim God is going to squash humans.

Heavens is a pressurized body. Use some common sense scientist or have you already lost your rational minds?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A human is biology only.

A human man born a human baby the story human. Grew up into a human adult or are you going to lie?

Lives about 100 years and then dies.

A human.

A human says. Science technology pyramid science temples were causing life nature to combust...animals to.die....humans dying sacrificed.

He bled unnaturally from chemical held bonds blood cells bones human. He brain prickled gas spirit water heated flame above fell. Brain prickling as men's head thought scientific thesis.

The chemical leeching is perfumed as chemicals own perfume.

And you claim God is going to squash humans.

Heavens is a pressurized body. Use some common sense scientist or have you already lost your rational minds?
You're brilliant! You should be a professor at Princeton :sunglasses:and have a Doctorate! OR...better yet...you should write for humanity a New Bible! :D
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A human is biology only.

A human man born a human baby the story human. Grew up into a human adult or are you going to lie?

Lives about 100 years and then dies.

A human.

A human says. Science technology pyramid science temples were causing life nature to combust...animals to.die....humans dying sacrificed.

He bled unnaturally from chemical held bonds blood cells bones human. He brain prickled gas spirit water heated flame above fell. Brain prickling as men's head thought scientific thesis.

The chemical leeching is perfumed as chemicals own perfume.

And you claim God is going to squash humans.

Heavens is a pressurized body. Use some common sense scientist or have you already lost your rational minds?
I like your parable and treatise with the words:
"He bled unnaturally from chemical held bonds blood cells bones human. He brain prickled gas spirit water heated flame above fell. Brain prickling as men's head thought scientific thesis.

The chemical leeching is perfumed as chemicals own perfume.

And you claim God is going to squash humans.

Heavens is a pressurized body. Use some common sense scientist or have you already lost your rational minds?"
:)
 

74x12

Well-Known Member
The book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10

But it was the LORD’s good plan to crush him and cause him grief. Yet when his life is made an offering for sin, he will have many descendants. He will enjoy a long life, and the LORD’s good plan will prosper in his hands.

I opened right up to that verse in my sacred book today.

So, the Father crushed him? Killed his only son? It seems to be a prophecy of the crucifixion? Well, I guess he's welcome to crush and kill me too. I hope I get some of the same rewards, just a little! :D
Yes it does say God did it.

Really Jesus did it to himself as he is the priest, the lamb, the temple and the God of the temple all at once.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I like your parable and treatise with the words:
"He bled unnaturally from chemical held bonds blood cells bones human. He brain prickled gas spirit water heated flame above fell. Brain prickling as men's head thought scientific thesis.

The chemical leeching is perfumed as chemicals own perfume.

And you claim God is going to squash humans.

Heavens is a pressurized body. Use some common sense scientist or have you already lost your rational minds?"
:)
The teaching said don't man self idolise as the human. Life is equal mutual. Don't believe self just a human is special.

Yet you did idolise and have constantly brain trained a belief for a long time. To idolise.

One of your owned human warnings to read realise .....yes we sure did what we taught not to.

Knowing what star fall brain sacrifice caused. You knew. You wrote warnings to read. As you knew you would forget.

Jesus said after Moses life as DNA removed the brain mind DNA gone. We healed. The babies healthy body returned by presence Christ amassing holy water. Gods heavens spirit body had assisted human baby DNA healing. Medical advice.

Asteroid wandering star holy was passing by. So we began to remember old science not found by star fall brains but by a remembering healing mind.

The warning. Don't believe science is safe. Taught. Reasoned you ignored the known history. Stars fall.

The fallen star not holy warned Hebrew Christians realisation. Muslim Egyptian mind had lost its memory the science warning. Stars fall.

A teaching exact to all natural humans everyone is equal

Until you accept your own teaching will you continue to false preach man's destruction.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Yes it does say God did it.

Really Jesus did it to himself as he is the priest, the lamb, the temple and the God of the temple all at once.
Thank you for identifying the obvious! Jesus was kind of a suicide like Samson when you think about it! ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
The teaching said don't man self idolise as the human. Life is equal mutual. Don't believe self just a human is special.

Yet you did idolise and have constantly brain trained a belief for a long time. To idolise.

One of your owned human warnings to read realise .....yes we sure did what we taught not to.

Knowing what star fall brain sacrifice caused. You knew. You wrote warnings to read. As you knew you would forget.

Jesus said after Moses life as DNA removed the brain mind DNA gone. We healed. The babies healthy body returned by presence Christ amassing holy water. Gods heavens spirit body had assisted human baby DNA healing. Medical advice.

Asteroid wandering star holy was passing by. So we began to remember old science not found by star fall brains but by a remembering healing mind.

The warning. Don't believe science is safe. Taught. Reasoned you ignored the known history. Stars fall.

The fallen star not holy warned Hebrew Christians realisation. Muslim Egyptian mind had lost its memory the science warning. Stars fall.

A teaching exact to all natural humans everyone is equal

Until you accept your own teaching will you continue to false preach man's destruction.
What did I preach that was false or leading humankind to destruction, and where am I committing Idolatry?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Th
What did I preach that was false or leading humankind to destruction, and where am I committing Idolatry?
The bible is written by men as a general man to men's human agreement.

Being a document you discuss.

As a rational human I don't impose I am talking direct to any one human as it's a documents history being discussed.

Men did a Jesus modern day test atmosphere experiment not Jesus.

Was chosen by men thinking controlling various machines of their choice in a modern day atmosphere owning what natural mass owns first.

They inferred data as massed bodies past of star fall being mass that changed mass as falsified data.

As the earth owns man's science stated gases by men of science living only who impose they know what they are doing as scientists only. Each as age old as each human self is.

To self idolise is to pretend a human is the God status such as what makes a heavens the heavens or what makes an earth mass be the earth mass.

If a human imposes another human is special they aren't being honest as life is mutual just lived. If we admire another human then human admiration for another is just admiration.

To self idolise is to pretend a human as the human owned some other type of human condition. It was a teaching to men of science.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Th

The bible is written by men as a general man to men's human agreement.

Being a document you discuss.

As a rational human I don't impose I am talking direct to any one human as it's a documents history being discussed.

Men did a Jesus modern day test atmosphere experiment not Jesus.

Was chosen by men thinking controlling various machines of their choice in a modern day atmosphere owning what natural mass owns first.

They inferred data as massed bodies past of star fall being mass that changed mass as falsified data.

As the earth owns man's science stated gases by men of science living only who impose they know what they are doing as scientists only. Each as age old as each human self is.

To self idolise is to pretend a human is the God status such as what makes a heavens the heavens or what makes an earth mass be the earth mass.

If a human imposes another human is special they aren't being honest as life is mutual just lived. If we admire another human then human admiration for another is just admiration.

To self idolise is to pretend a human as the human owned some other type of human condition. It was a teaching to men of science.
Sorry! :(
 

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The book of Isaiah makes it clear God was pleased with the Christ wearing a crown of thorns and nailed to a cross, no?

Isaiah 53:10
That can't be Jesus. One reason is that Jesus is mentioned nowhere in the Tanakh. Another is that Jesus, according to all the stories, sired no children ("seed").
 
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