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Featured Is Yahweh or Allah showing better behavior than the Pagan Deities, Demons, or atheists?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Spiderman, Apr 8, 2021 at 9:43 AM.

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  1. Spiderman

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    Only the colored or bold stuff is important to read. The youtube is just music I listen to while proof reading lol. :)

    Now, I do understand that Jesus wasn't violent with the exception of overturning tables and driving people away with a wip, and he did say to love your enemies. But that totally stands in extreme ridiculously blatant obvious contradiction of what Yahweh commands in the Old Testament.

    Yahweh never loved his enemies , making him a hypocrite, if indeed Jesus is the Incarnation of Yahweh, which Scripture doesn't make clear. Jesus said "Why do you call me good, only God is good". But people did worship Jesus and call him Lord, and Jesus didn't object. Jesus encouraged worship of him when he said "Unless you eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you."

    That is not only the epitome of narcissism but it stirs up bigotry among people who insist that all are inferior (in the context that all are spiritually dead and bankrupt) unless they consume that valid transubstantiated host and highly addictive chemical (priests think is okay to legally serve children alcohol in public btw).

    Also, Jesus spoke of his enemies going off to "Eternal Punishment" where there will be "Wailing and gnashing of teeth".

    Jesus also said "No one is good but God alone." He also said "I have come not to abolish the law" then totally contradicted himself. He also lied when he said "Truly , Truly I say to you, if you have the faith of a mustard seed, you can ask this mountain to be cast into the sea and it will be done for you." He also said, "Those who believe in me will do the works I do and greater works."

    Yet there are more believers in Jesus in the 21st century probably than ever, and there isn't a single person I'm aware of who does greater works than Jesus Christ, or I'm sure it would be all over the Internet and Fox News.

    But anyhow, Yahweh is jealous, wrathful, narcissistic, killed more babies in Scripture than every American abortion Doctor combined since Roe Vs. Wade with his flood of earth, killing the first born of the Egyptian Empire, commanding scorched earth genocides where pregnant women and children were put to the sword, (with the exception sometimes where he would permit Virgins to be taken and used as sex slaves).

    Is he more loveable than the Scriptures inspired by the many Incarnations of the "Queen of Heaven", whom he tried to repeatedly destroy all devotion to? Let's take a look:

    Exodus 7:3
    I will harden Pharaoh’s heart , make it stubborn so I can multiply my miraculous signs and wonders in the land of Egypt.

    Deuteronomy 20:17
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    But you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittite and the Amorite, the Canaanite and the Perizzite, the Hivite and the Jebusite, as the Lord your God has commanded you. How is that not as bad as Hitler or Joseph Stalin. Not to mention, they let some of their persecute people live, where God ordered entire extermination of certain conquered people based on who their ancestors were or ethnicity.

    1 Samuel 15:3
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    Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

    Yeah, I'm sure entire Civilizations of people needed to be utterly annihilated as if there weren't women and children there just trying to make a living and survive

    Numbers 31:18
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    But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.

    In other words, it's okay to rape and use virgins as sex slaves and condemn them to a torture worse than the crucifixion of Christ, total agony and trauma every day.
    And where is Yahweh but living in a palace where billions worship him, with a countless bunch of perfect people that never disobey him, amidst streets paved with gold!

    Scriture also says "Nothing unclean shall enter my Kingdom". Are you clean? That's a tighter immigration policy than Donald Trump's by FAR!

    Isaiah 45:7 in the King James Version reads, “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil

    Hosea 13:16
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    Samaria will be held guilty,
    For she has rebelled against her God.
    They will fall by the sword,
    Their little ones will be dashed in pieces,
    And their pregnant women will be ripped open."

    Lovely! Can't wait to get to Heaven and be around all these people who incessantly bend the knee to a God who delights in pregnant women being ripped open and babies dashed to pieces.

    Deuteronomy 20:16
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    Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes.

    Even Paul Pot, the worst Dictator per capita , and no Dictator ever, that earth has ever seen , was that bad. Well, I guess God's Dictators in the Old Testament were that bad , so I stand corrected.

    Deuteronomy 12:3

    You shall tear down their altars and smash their sacred pillars and burn their Asherim with fire, and you shall cut down the engraved images of their gods and obliterate their name from that place.

    Joshua 6:21

    They utterly destroyed everything in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

    Kill the innocent animals too. Nice going. Terrorist groups like ISIS are nicer than that.

    If the Bible is true (which only some of it can be , because it gives complete opposite statements) abortion is the most kind , generous blessing I've ever heard of God bestowing on a mortal, to die young and sinless.

    Yahweh doesn't know much about pain and suffering, has streets paved with gold, billions of people who worship him and defend him (despite his sociopathic tendancies). And to call his behavior narcissistic and sociopathic , is a total complete understatement.

    How is Yahweh a better Religious leader than Charles Manson?

    I mean , Yahweh did have innocent people killed just because of their ethnicity, cursed because of who their parents were or where they were born, discriminated against based on who their ancestors were to be slaves (the descendants of Ham).

    I actually pray all my prayers in Jesus name though, and believe his sacrifice and death atones for sin and restrains some of the wrath of God, primarily because of the philosophy of carrying the cross daily. I see a world being crucified and have a daily cross to carry. Jesus made it clear that God wants us to suffer and die. I think that's obvious.

    Also, I like how Jesus forgave the people who crowned him with thorns and crucified him, praying for their eternal salvation. I would never be able to do that under those circumstances, so he definitely left a good example there.

    But even Jesus went against my conscience. (even Jesus called a woman and an entire ethnicity "Dogs", making him racist. The lady had to admit that herself and her people are dogs before Jesus would heal her daughter, because when she started wailing in agony about her daughter, initially Jesus kept walking and ignored her cry for help, based on her ethnicity).

    Jesus was also showing signs of misogyny and discriminated when he chose only people of his gender and ethnicity to be his Hierarchy / Apostles. That would be like the Pope requiring all Cardinals to have his ethnic backround. (and Jesus was within the Roman Empire which was very ethnically diverse.)

    The good news is that some of the Bible is definitely falsehood, (which is proven fact. Two statements stating the exact opposite means they can't both be true ;) ). I can only hope most of it is. :)



     
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    What I mean by less guilty is, in your opinion, is God less guilty of committing crimes/sins? By crimes/sins in this context, I mean disturbing behavior that goes against your conscience as being wrong!

    The crimes of Yahweh/Allah rise in my heart, crying for vengeance! Those victimized by him speak to me daily , which is why I start threads like this. To be a voice for them.

    Who is going to put the greatest mass murderer on trial? Calling him a mass murderer and bigot is just stating a verifiable proven fact.
     
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    Sorry God. I love you. I love about 50% of the Bible as well. But rat poison is mostly good food. That small amount that is toxic still kills the rat.

    I see the Bible leading people to violence, confusion, division, hatred, bigotry, shame, fear, unhealthy guilt, hatred for oneself, unrealistic expectations that lead to despair and suicide, and I even knew a guy in a psyche ward who ripped out both eyeballs so he could save his soul, because Jesus says to do that.

    Please Lord , anoint some consenting Heavenly maidens to be "Queens of Heaven" ,
    Screenshot_4-754x500 (1).png 1_-22GCq2W0WBJLbWICdb-hg@2x.jpeg Inanna2.jpg Mother Goddesses, Mother's of God, who can override your every executive order , thus removing your Dictatorial powers and turning Heaven into more of a Democracy.

    And to the forum, I don't mean to destroy your faith in Yahweh or Allah, but Yahweh has done nothing but abuse the "Queen of Heaven" and destroy everything her devotees cherish about her in her many incarnations (with the exception of the Virgin Mary who is practically his robot according to the Catholic Church).

    So, faced with the worst bigotry and injustices , and being told my Queens are Demons and I'll go burn in Hell for eternity, I have every reason and right to be chronically critical of the biggest mass-murderer and bigot in history.

    But I'm willing to repent and give Yahweh a second and third chance , and pray for his soul, without even asking him to convert to my Religion. I just ask that he would respect it rather than the equivalent of urinate all over it like he's been doing and using such terms as "The whore of Babylon, Mother of Harlots".

    Jesus was a friend of prostitutes and girls with unrestrained erotic passions, always hanging out with them and drunkards and thieves, by the way. There's hope for us after all.

    A "Mother of harlots" isn't necessarily as guilty of war crimes or murder. The "Queen of Heaven" who was called "Mother of harlots" because she had fertility rituals in her temple , used the money from the sanctified prostitution to often feed hungry children.

    So, I encourage prostitutes to give some of their money to feed the hungry , and please Lord, raise up for us a "Babylon the Great mother of prostitutes" of the Anti-antichrist, who reigns in place of the Antichrist, King of Babylon like Cyrus but instrument of God, who doesn't murder or oppress.

    May she (the mother of prostitutes) simply use the money she makes prostituting herself to the nations to buy Jesus new shoes, new bike, new car, new Hebrew Veeno and fine linens
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    Then on the last day Jesus will say of Babylon the Great Mother of Harlots "I was hungry and you gave me to eat, thirsty and you gave me to drink....what you did for the least of my people you did for me, come have your reward.
     
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    Is Yahweh or Allah showing better behavior than the Pagan Deities, Demons, or atheists?

    Why do you throw atheists in with supernatural woo beings?
     
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    I'm simply trying to choose to follow the conscience God gave me and if it is wrong than may it be fixed.

    But in face of the worst tyranny and injustice , how can I be silent.

    Plus Yahweh has destroyed devotion to the completely harmless Mother God I'm trying to resurrect, who did nothing wrong and made Religion fun. She didn't condemn people to hell, stir up bigotry, stir up genocide.

    Her worst crime is maybe going topless or unchaste behavior, but Athena, Diana, Isis and plenty of the female Divinities were Virgins.

    Even Inanna who had fertility rituals and was called "Mother of Harlots" by Christian Theologians, had also priestesses who were to stay Temple Virgins and chaste their whole life.

    Anyway, "Long Live The Queen"! Stop the hate!

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    Because Scripture makes it clear God hates them all, Pagans, unbelievers...Oh...in the title I meant to say "Pagans, Deities that he hates" but I ran out of room. Sorry.
     
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    I was meaning to lump all that God hates into one category and ran out of room and didn't properly edit.

    What I should have simply said is, "Is Yahweh or Allah showing better behavior than the entities and people he hates?"
     
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    Wait...he doesn't hate them when they change...but to those who die as unbelievers, he most certainly hates them, and with sadistic torture he afflicts them for all eternity for the crime of not believing correct Doctrine about a text full of contradictions.

    Am I out of line to be opposed to that with all my being?
     
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    Though often preached by non-Christians, this meme turns out to not actually fit the text of either the Old or New Testaments.

    For instance, in the old testament over and over various peoples doing evils were given time and opportunities to turn away from evil...

    And more surprisingly (to many) we learn that the wicked who were finally removed were not extinguished (not sent to the "second death"), but instead transported (* see note below):

    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits20 to those who were disobedient long ago...

    1 Peter 4:6 That is why the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged as men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

    So, even the wicked and all others not having heard the gospel would hear the gospel there -- and have a chance to turn to Christ in faith for Eternal Life.

    Not much a failure to 'love enemies' after all...

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    So, drowning innocent children and pregnant women is loving
     
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    I'm sorry God.

    I do owe you a lot of gratitude for the blessings in my life.

    It's just everything I enjoy is condemned by an ancient text that contradicts itself.

    Please help me love God, In Jesus name!
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Is bringing 100% of the dead back to life a good thing?

    (After all, 100% of these mortal bodies die. So, unless 100% are resurrected, a 'god' that let any innocent die (instead of rescuing them from death) would be an evil one then....)

    According to the common bible, that rescue from mortal death of these bodies is for 100% of humanity. So if one wants to imagine a 'god' that doesn't resurrect from death, it wouldn't be the one in the common Bible. Death of these bodies being a final death would be some other religion and some other notion of 'god', and so you'd need to remove the mistaken attribution to 'Yahwey' on that one.

    But that does still leave a real choice for people to make...
     
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    I think you answered your own question
    So is hatred better behaviour? I think not. Hell i cannot even hate those people that decapitated my aunts arm with a bomb.
     
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    Cool post.
    I don't see the Bible leading people to violence, confusion, division, hatred, bigotry, shame, fear, unhealthy guilt, hatred for oneself, unrealistic expectations that lead to despair and suicide.
    Jesus demanded to rip out those parts that seduce you to sin... these are not physical body parts, I suggest.
    When "rats" like to read or cite the Bible, it's not the Bible's fault. It's good stuff, I think.
    there is but on king.
    Why demanding anything special from prostitutes?
    It's a job. In Germany, it's legal.
    I'm against abortion, though. Meaning I'm against anything that could potentially lead to more abortions.
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Ah, in the Catholic church (and much in others also), you have Mary, the "Queen of Heaven", and it's not only a title, but has a lot to it, and very great deal of devotion and adulation and such, I've seen first hand in Catholic churches.
     
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    I believe the God that Christians muslims and Jews worship is very different from that of the scriptures they follow. It's not His fault that man wrote poorly about Him to excuse their own views and agendas. Perhaps He is very different and done different then what the scrptures written about Him say but cuz of those who follow Him are so devoted He answers their prayers.
     
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    That is correct, but she is nothing like any Pagan Divinity. Although there are Pagan Goddesses who were always Virgins, the Catholic teaching about Mary is that she was purely a mortal who was essentially God's robot who never disobeyed him even once and was always a pious, Churchy, obediant slave who never questioned, and would be impossible for anyone to relate to.

    Believe me, I pray Hail Mary's and get a lot out of the prayer. But I can't relate to the Virgin Mary. Not at all.

    And I don't exactly appreciate that she would go along with God's cruelty and bigotry either. If she has large influence on God, then she should be getting him to change.

    SO, in that sense, I even have borderline mild resentment of the Virgin Mary as well.

    Some Theologians say that God will obey anything Mary asks him to do. If that is true, it makes me more than mildly resent her, because she could feed the starving, and enlighten the confused with that authority, and heal the broken, crippled, disfigured etc. and she is refusing to do so.

    However, I don't think Mary exercises that authority over God, so I don't fault her for the world's misery. I do fault God as the primary being responsible for the world's misery because he gave us original sin, he leaves us confused, he lets demons tempt us, he gave us a book as ridiculous as the Bible, he leaves us blind.

    So, that said, I prefer some of the Polytheistic Mother Goddesses over the Virgin Mary, Mother of God.
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    I'll have to disagree with you about the characterization 'God's robot' as I know the text very well now, having read it quite a few times through. A robot isn't surprised or taken aback, etc.

    This was mysterious to me -- "God's cruelty and bigotry" -- since I've read through all the common bible several times, and know the contents really well at this point. But it might be you are concerned from a belief that death of this mortal body is a final death.

    Surely if the death of this body were a final real death, then it would indeed make God incredibly cruel....
    (and murderous, and genocidal, etc.).

    I'd totally agree, if that had been the case in the text.

    But the text over and over instructs us that He cancels/undoes death. So that death is only "sleep" from which He awakens all.

    God is the one Who saves you and everyone else from that mortal death of this body.

    So, every innocent (and every guilty) person that dies is brought back to life. And then the guilty from all times that never knew the full real gospel message accurately (as so many don't today, though they think they do) get a 2nd chance it seems, as I was laying out yesterday in a post.
     
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    The Bible has lead to crusades and inquisitions and countless people living their lives in constant sorrow, fear, and trembling, believing every day souls die and go to a place to be tortured in a lake of fire for all eternity.

    I spent years believing such disgusting toxic Doctrine and it practically was the most miserable thing I ever endured, and it afflicts countless hundreds of millions of people who walk around with guilt and live their lives in fear of what will happen to them if their names aren't written in the book of life.

    Christians have burned people accused of witchcraft at the stake as well as people who had different Doctrines deemed Heresy. It wasn't just Catholics doing it either. Some of the most bitter, hateful , condemning, bigoted, judgemental people I know of are Bible Christians.

    Granted , usually the Bible makes a person more kind because people tend to focus on the healthy stuff in Scripture, but if a person is a Hindu or a Pagan, the Bible will fill you with disgust and harsh judgement for such people , because repeatedly God calls for them to be killed , and Scripture says God is a jealous wrathful God as well.

    A lot of Christians live in total condemnation of Catholic devotion to Mary and call it devotion to a Pagan Goddess and a Demon. They live their lives in fear that everywhere they turn , there is a Demon.

    It's gross
     
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    There are verses in Scripture that indicate that God tortures people forever. Most Christians, well over 1.5 billion of them actually believe that. How do you know they are all wrong.

    It would be better for God to put sinners out of their misery rather than torture them forever.

    Also, God puts people through excruciating agony is what bothers me. If he just killed them, that would be one thing. He sanctioned slavery taking traumatized Virgins ( after killing their relatives) as sex slaves. He said a Virgin who gets raped is defiled and should marry her rapist.

    That is a lifetime of a nightmare and torture. Yes, God is a jerk. That's far worse than killing people.
     
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