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Is witchcraft real?

Heyo

Veteran Member
To be honest, I think that anyone who had real magical powers would own the earth and everything and everyone in it. Who would stop him?
The other magicians who want to rule the world.

That is the flaw in magical thinking. People always dream of how nice it would be if they had powers but they never contemplate that, if it was possible to have powers, the others could also have them.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
On another forum, I was having a conversation about Sri Ramakrishna, and in that conversation I could almost see how logic is "just another path to God" within the context of his philosophy.

In a sense, my devotion to logic is a spiritual one. I am learning to know God through his Logos as revealed by Nature in Creation.

Of course, I wouldn't use the word "God" or "Creation," but Sri Ramakrishna also says that such words aren't necessarily the important part. I thought it was interesting. It's certainly given me food for thought about how I regard interfaith dialogue and other religions in general.

I will answer as a strong philosophical skeptic. Formal logic has a limit, but logic as good arguments if by good, you use what works for you, you could find your way.
 

VoidCat

Pronouns: he/him/they/them
Yes. I think Ouija boards should be mass produced and distributed to schools so children can create a vast network of portals. :)
This reminds me of when I was 14 and in the mental hospital folks got banned from making and using spirit boards. Cuz a few of the patients would make them. Well me and a few the patients wandered into the room with the phones that they used at the hospitals for calling folk during visitation time. None the mental health techs could see us. I didn't mess with witchcraft or spirit boards at the time I was a christian. But I believed at the time in religious freedom and believed the patients should be allowed to use spirit boards as a religious/spiritual right. So these kids had made a spirit board right? They were messing around with it I was watching and I heard footsteps. I said Quick say goodbye and give me the board!

They did. I took my coat off and covered it. Then I grabbed some papers off the table I took with me on communication styles and anger management. I handed it to them just as a tech walked in.

Tech: you ain't supposed to be in here. Yall were messing with an oujii board again were you?

Another patient: No have a look.(hands paper over)

Staff: hmmm ok then. Go back to the main room. Study in there on anger and communication

We didn't get caught lol
 

an anarchist

Your local anarchist.
That is the flaw in magical thinking. People always dream of how nice it would be if they had powers but they never contemplate that, if it was possible to have powers, the others could also have them.
But maybe others just forfeit their right to these powers o_O
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member

IS WITCHCRAFT REAL?


As per your religious beliefs, do you believe witchcraft is real? Like, magic, is it real? Christians, I’m curious. Do you believe people can access mystic power? Think back to Moses, when he turned his staff to a snake. The Pharaoh’s court mages did the same with their staffs. My pastor of my youth told me that the mages had snakes hidden up their sleeves lol but the Bible says that the mages turned their staffs into snakes. Sorcery, right?
I already practice divination, I’m interested in the occult.
Pagans, I think you guys believe in it, right? Or am I thinking of another group?
Atheists, I suppose you think that any magical experiences are imagined, right?

Skeptics laughed at Gypsy love potions. Viagra?

Potions to put someone to sleep? Melatonin or Diphenhydramine?

Potions to hallucinate? Peyote, LSD, opium (etc).

I think that we have learned that medicines are real. Were they hundreds of years ago? Snake oil peddlers use to hawk their wares with claims of cures for cancer, and every other ailment. They would find a beautiful young person, proclaim his age to be 92 (or so), and make people think that they found the fountain of youth.

I was hiking close to (but off of) famous wagon trail into California. At about 10,000 ft elevation I came across a burned out camp fire, broken wagon wheel, and purple bottle (that for many years I assumed was perfume). Clear glass used to turn purple years ago. It had 10 sides, and said Santol De Midi, Paris, 1872. I did an internet search and found that it used to have a cork and blue pills inside that were made with Mercury (a deadly poison that would make people sick in smaller doses), but they were phony cures for syphillus used (and sold) at Fort Hall (established as a fur trading post by Nathanial Jarvis Wyeth in 1834 in eastern Oregon territory, what is now Idaho). Some men would take their pregnant wives on these grueling trips into unknown wilderness, facing starvation, thirst, and desert and mountain perils. I could imagine a woman, sick with syphillus, not getting better, stuck with a damaged wheel high in the mountains, lost from the trail, with a sheer drop of 6,000 feet if they could push their wagons through a tangle of thin pine trees, having endured thousands of miles of hellish terraine and dangers, with a husband who obvious contracted syphillus from someone (not her), and gave it to her. He obviously had some explaining to do.

Some didn't sell phony cures or yarbs and brews to cure the various mountain diseases (the shakes, the chills, the rattles, the wheezes, etc). Don't worry, you're in good hands, they are MD's (Mountain Doctors....didn't really have much need fer lernin' in them thar days). Rather, they touted chemicals for vengeance. Could you turn someone into a zombie with the right chemicals? Yep. Some was psychological. In Haiti, they claimed that the Pappalau (father God) would get you man. And there were some who were turned into zombies without any drugs at all (just the fear of it paralyzed them).

For centuries, doctors knew of the beneficial effects of placebos (phone medicines, often sugar pills, that the patients thought would cure them). They thought that they would get better, so they did. Those suffering with cancer, feel depressed, facing pain, death, and sadness that their loved ones grieve. That depression releases harmful carcinogens (cause cancer) into the bloodstream, and makes their ailment worse. Psychology of medicine is real. In England, a hypnotist performed open heart surgery on a patient that he trained to feel no pain (without anesthesia). Many people have been coached to feel no pain. Think of how horrible it would be to wake out of the stupor to feel your chest rended wide open. Could someone be hypnotized into believing that a staff could turn into a snake?....Yep, they sure can. When I was taking a course in abnormal psychology in graduate school, my professor, an eminant psychologist, gave us a demonstration of hypnotism. It had not been part of his school training, but he was facinated by the implications of hypnotism in psychology. We could see for ourselves that the mind has many open entry ports in which a hypnotist could work his trade. They could make someone think that they were a chicken and stand in a busy lecture hall and cluck like a chicken (which one of the students did).

Regular Christians, convinced that God exists, could be talked into imagining that they see God or hear God. Especially if they had a psychological trauma in their lives. My aunt had two stillborn kids, buried in her mom's grave (because they couldn't afford a grave in the great depression). She went a bit nuts and delved deeply into Christianity, and dragged her sister in with her. The stricter they were with their kids, the more their kids misbehaved.

God cannot be proven to exist, and Christians have a belief system that doesn't rely on proof (they merely feel that God exists because they want to believe that there is some goodness or direction in the world....it gives them comfort). This makes them perfect patsies for unscrupulous Republicans, who want to do the exact opposite of Jesus (cater to the rich by lowering their taxes, outsourcing factories and jobs for cheaper wages, making wars, torture camps, and insisting on 2nd Amendment gun rights, ravaging the environment, and making wars against scientists who warn of Global Warming and pollution, they tell lies to get their way (claiming that Niger was selling yellow-cake Uranium to terrorists in Iraq...thus justifying cruel wars in both countries to steal precious resources). By brainwashing Republicans, using religion to hynotize them, they can get them to believe virtually anything.

Triple amputee (Vietnam war, McClellan) was running against W. Bush (draft dodger who was intentionally put into a non-combat unit in the Texas Air National Guard), when W. Bush convinced his brainwashed voters that he was the war hero and McClellan was not. W. Bush did the same brainwashing when he ran against Senator John Kerry, a recognized and highly decorated veteran who actually did serve in Vietnam (W. Bush was trained to fly an obsolete plane that would never be called into service, and daddy's lawyers destroyed the attendance records right in front of his commanding officer, Burkett, who later testified).

Brain washing of the Christian faith doesn't stop at politics. Some need to be deprogrammed. Some give all of their money. In the case of the Jonestown masscre, or the Heavens Gate mass suicide (hoping for their souls to ride a comet around the solar system for all eternity), they gave up their lives because they were hypnotized. Christians can be hypnotized into believing that atheists are immoral, while their own leaders (given Christian forgiveness, while that same forgiveness is withheld from their political oponents like Clinton and Monica) don't see reality. Christian programming warps the senses and the logic.

It is the warping of the mind, under hypnosis, that makes people see staffs turn into snakes.

Some people practice magic hoping to be powerful and evil. For example President W. Bush (and his father, George, and his grandfather, Prescott) were all members of Skull and Bones....a Satanic cult. Grandpa Prescott Bush (father and grandfather of a president) stole the skeleton of the famous Native American, Geronimo, to perform Satanic rituals, with their Satanic bible. They would stir a cauldron of unspeakable filth (eye of newt, toe of frog, etc.) and say incantations from their Satanic bible in the Latin that it is written in. Did they perform magic? Well, they did brainwash themselves and that convinced them that their power was real.
 

Psalm23

Well-Known Member
As per your religious beliefs, do you believe witchcraft is real? Like, magic, is it real? Christians, I’m curious. Do you believe people can access mystic power? Think back to Moses, when he turned his staff to a snake. The Pharaoh’s court mages did the same with their staffs. My pastor of my youth told me that the mages had snakes hidden up their sleeves lol but the Bible says that the mages turned their staffs into snakes. Sorcery, right?
I already practice divination, I’m interested in the occult.
Pagans, I think you guys believe in it, right? Or am I thinking of another group?
Atheists, I suppose you think that any magical experiences are imagined, right?

I believe that witchcraft and the occult is real. I believe there are limits to occult power. I personally do not recommend practicing witchcraft or magic.
 

Sand Dancer

Crazy Cat Lady
There's no real evidence of magic, that I know of. It's the stuff of folklore and legends, and a facile "explanation" when something unexpected or baffling happens.

It's just, I think, manipulating energy for specific ends. Not like we hear about or see in stories.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
Yes. I think Ouija boards should be mass produced and distributed to schools so children can create a vast network of portals. :)

The problem with a Ouija board is that you never know who or what you're inviting in when you use one. Speaking as someone with clairvoyant insight, I'd like to emphasize that a spirit board isn't a child's toy. It's a potentially dangerous tool to contact the dead, and it's not something that should be taken lightly. I've had a scary experience with one, and I recommend extreme cautious using one.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Demons will fight you (mentally) if you ever want to try to repent. By "repent" I mean turn to God.

Helps to rebuke them in Jesus name and then pray. Your prayers will be better.

People still repent of witchcraft all the time; but of course not getting involved in witchcraft makes it easier to repent.
I don't need demons for that. Christians and memories of church and the Bible have ensured I'll never go back.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Yes. I think Ouija boards should be mass produced and distributed to schools so children can create a vast network of portals. :)
It would be interesting id this network of portals happens. But given they are mass produced and haven't done something that is very telling.
 

Guitar's Cry

Disciple of Pan
The other magicians who want to rule the world.

That is the flaw in magical thinking. People always dream of how nice it would be if they had powers but they never contemplate that, if it was possible to have powers, the others could also have them.

I don't know about all you others with powers, but I just get lazy. Also, cats. Cats don't like having their power usurped and their power is unmatched.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
It would be interesting id this network of portals happens. But given they are mass produced and haven't done something that is very telling.

There are already active portals in many different places. It could be a place, an object, or even a person. You just have to know where to look for one, or you'll need a psychic medium with you while you're looking for a portal. It would also be helpful to know what to do when you find one. A spirit board won't always open a sustaining portal. I'm not saying it won't happen, but it's not always the case.
 
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blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Someone is going to win the lottery for a mega-million, then they're going to die by being struck by an odd misfortune relatively soon afterwards.
Okay, just say prophecy / fortunetelling doesn't really work and I'll believe you.
 
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