Augustus
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Is that a joke or are you being serious? Can't quite tell.
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Is this racist?
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Is that a joke or are you being serious? Can't quite tell.
proudpagan
Member
This is Leon Trotsky’s 1930 work, "The History of the Russian Revolution", from which shown above is a passage. The last word in that passage is "PACNCTOB", whose Latin transliteration is "racistov", i.e., "racists".
Augustus
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The word developed as a shortening of racialism, which related to scientific theories of race that emerged from 19th C social Darwinism. It was then applied in a more general context to people who believed certain races had innate characteristics that led to some being superior and others inferior.
Trotsky didn't invent it, and it was in use decades before 1930.
proudpagan
Member
The Slavophiles which Trotsky alluded to were historically a group of traditionalist Slavs who valued greatly their native culture and way of life, and wanted to protect it. Trotsky on the other hand saw them and others like them as an impedement to his internationalist communist plans for the world. This man didn’t care one **** about the Slavic Russians whom he supposedly served. To him, Slavophiles, i.e. Slavs that committed the "crime" of loving their own people and trying to protect their traditional ways were simply "backward", and others like them were simply "racists"
The reality of the word’s origin is indeed quite a far cry from the left-liberal version of the story: that the word was coined in bona fides to identify people who were just plain bigoted against certain racial groups, and as a rallying cry for good liberals to protect the racial minorities from the bigots. On the contrary, the actual concept behind the word (even though he hadn’t invented it quite yet) -- that ethnocentric "backwardness" must take a back seat to "enlightened" internationalism -- was often used by Army-Navy Commissar Trotsky as a rallying cry for good Red Army communists to embark upon murderous rampages against peoples who resisted having their traditional way of life paved over and replaced with an alien system.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
Yes I kind of figured it out for myself , but I wanted to hear people's opinions and see if there was a general consensus on whether or not it's racist or not.
Does WN stand for white nationalist?
VioletVortex
Well-Known Member
Sadly, I have to say that it does.
proudpagan
Member
I aint throwing anti red conspiracy Not to mention in holodomor how many ethinc slavs were massacred during great purge...I guess I will be quickly branded Antisemetic . . Robert Wilton, a long time Russia correspondent for the London Times, said in his book The Last Days of the Romanovs: “According to the data furnished by the Soviet press, out of 556 important functionaries of the Bolshevik State there were in 1918-1919: 17 Russians, 2 Ukrainians, 11 Armenians, 35 Lets, 15 Germans, 1 Hungarian, 10 Georgians, 2 Poles, 2 Finns, 1 Karaim, 457 Jews.”
Not to mention he was a jew himself
http://www.iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm
Not necessarily.
Augustus
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As I said, it was in use well before Army-Navy Commissar Trotsky 'invented' it in 1927.
Per OED:
1903 Proc. 20th Ann. Meeting Lake Mohonk Conf. Friends of Indian 1902 134 Segregating any class or race of people..kills the progress of the segregated people... Association of races and classes is necessary in order to destroy racism and classism.
1926 Manchester Guardian 9 Feb. 7/4 The press of the Left is extremely mild. The [French publication] ‘Quotidien’ remarks neutrally that the two Nationalisms are in conflict, and that ‘if German racism is a danger to the world Fascism is another.’
Yes, but it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things if you aren't taking advantage of your love interest or partner as a racialised sex object. Our standards of beauty come loaded with cultural, racial and historical meanings, but given how complex and deep attraction is in the human psyche, it is not something easily "corrected" by making it taboo. a little self-awareness is healthy though.
I'm White and when I walk past black guys in the street I feel uncomfortable. I live in a rural area which is overwhelmingly white so it doesn't happen very much. It was very unexpected the first time it happened and has taken a while to accept that it is there and is part of me despite of my ideals of racial equality. Its something I'd like to change about myself but its not clear as to how because it is something that is pretty irrational. I am not consciously racist and don't support segregation or supremacy of anything like that but "its there" and I'm aware of it. That being said, as a bisexual guy, I fantasise about black guys and Asian guys more than whites men, so my own prejudices work both ways.
proudpagan
Member
> it was used by trotsky to subjugate dissenters of commie ideology .
Rather Annoying Communist Inspired Silencing Tactic = Racist uwu
proudpagan
Member
Racist has now a days become a tool for these pseudo liberal noobs to ensure that unwanted population grow around your neighbourhood tbh fam .
What the **** could possibly be wrong with that? I suggest an experiment – take any formerly white country, divide it in half, then all those who want race-mixing and faggotry, go to one side. Those who want to be among their own race and live in a health society, go to the other. That works in theory doesn’t it? The race-mixer **** can go live among themselves and not be bothered by evil racists, and on the other hand, we proud racists can be free of them – problem solved...
Racist has now a days become a tool for these pseudo liberal noobs to ensure that unwanted population grow around your neighbourhood tbh fam .
What the **** could possibly be wrong with that? I suggest an experiment – take any formerly white country, divide it in half, then all those who want race-mixing and faggotry, go to one side. Those who want to be among their own race and live in a health society, go to the other. That works in theory doesn’t it? The race-mixer **** can go live among themselves and not be bothered by evil racists, and on the other hand, we proud racists can be free of them – problem solved...
There is a great deal wrong with the use of "racist" by Liberals as a hysterical outburst as it is a substitute for rational discussion. The concept of "White Guilt" is deeply problematic because it substitutes emotional turmoil for political action and reform that could address the grievances that have built up as a legacy of "European/western colonialism". It doesn't help the problem or offer solutions at all. Nor does calling someone "racist" make it any easier to change biases and prejudices we've inherited from living in a society with a long history of racism.
However, race is a historical construct based on differences based on appearance and not a scientifically valid objective category for classifying human beings. Treating differences in the appearance of races as if they were the cause of moral and cultural differences is unlikely to be true. I think the recent advance of genetics and DNA does undermine the concept of race significantly by showing that "racial purity" is something of a myth, as does general agreement that humans share a single common ancestry (i.e. in Africa) rather than coming from multiple ancestral origins. There are differences on race but I do not believe they extend to moral ones such as levels of intelligence, possessing different virtues or vices or varying entitlement to legal and political rights based on how "human" they are or whether they should be "separate but equal".
It's admittedly a subject I don't know well but if there is scientific evidence for it, I might reconsider. Historically, racial segregation hasn't been a recipe for peaceful societies. Although this clip from House MD is quite funny nonetheless.
The relationship between Jews an Bolshevism breaks down outside of Russia. You don't have Jewish Communists in China, Vietnam, North Korea, etc because Jews are not an indigenous minority there. Jews did play a significant role in Russian Communism because they were an oppressed minority and often highly educated and literate. One aspect of the Communist platform is anti-imperialism and national self-determination, which Jews as a people wanted more of. I think they were still forced to live in certian cities or regions in the Russian Empire and so couldn't move out of it. The fact that the early Bolsheviks were made up on minority ethnic groups is not accidental, but it does not indicate that it was racially motivated either. The Soviet Union has been described as the "affirmative action empire" by one author.
That's not what Communists do Comrade. Letting you live would be an inefficient use of resources.
"To destroy you is no loss, to preserve you is no gain." (Khmer Rouge)
proudpagan
Member
What do you think mein bro is the root cause of liberal ****?
Possibly the legacy of Christian doctrine of original sin in Liberalism as a political ideology. No-one can be a saint so everyone is "dammed" to feel guilty for not living up to their principles.
Epic Beard Man
Bearded Philosopher
Very bizarre.
Rid yourself of your fears and actually immerse yourself around black people.
yeah. I know. Its not something I'm very proud of but its there.