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Featured Is this Proof of Lord?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by questfortruth, May 22, 2022.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Huh?
     
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  4. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    God is omniscient so is aware that his believers are right. And his believers are right because God is omniscient. Is this the argument?
     
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  5. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    Please, do not rephrase it.
     
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    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    I was only asking for clarification. That's how I read the argument.
     
  7. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    I repeat, DO NOT CORRUPT MY PROOF.
     
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  8. Guitar's Cry

    Guitar's Cry The "I" in Reality

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    Okie doke. Good luck!

    Edited to add: I was genuinely looking for clarification and not trying to unfairly present your argument. :)
     
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    It looks to be another "If X, then X" yet X isn't shown to exist. The flaw is thinking that referring to X as if it exists as a priori is sufficient to assume it exists. It doesn't work. It's another attempt to force God into existence with words.
     
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    Too late. You beat us to it.
     
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  12. questfortruth

    questfortruth Well-Known Member

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    PLEASE DO NOT RE-write MY PROOF. I have no X written there.
     
  13. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

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    Well, that is not unique to religion. If we define the universe as natural, then it is an objective fact, that the universe is natural. ;)
     
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    We've all seen this before. New boss same as the old boss.
     
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    We observe the consistency of nature as natural. We observe the consistency, we didn't define it as consistent. There is no other observed phenomenon that suggests there isn't a natural.
     
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    The sentence of type "If X, then X" is the following:

    If I am blue, then I am blue.

    Here the X is "I am blue". You cannot see this structure in the text of my proof.
     
  17. mikkel_the_dane

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    Well, natural is an over-reduction of consistency, because it is natural that I can say. No, the universe is not natural. You are confusing your cognition as consistency with how the universe work.
     
  18. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...
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    Can't see proof in your "proof," either. @F1fan is quite correct, you are merely trying to force God into existence with words.

    You might just as well have said, "God exists because God exists." Just as empty and meaningless.
     
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  19. mikkel_the_dane

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    The universe is natural because the universe is natural. Works just as well. ;)
     
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    Is this Proof of Lord?

    NO
     
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