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Featured Is There the Same Kindness Among Religious Strangers?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Dec 23, 2019.

  1. Milton Platt

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    Why are concentrating on Abarhamic religions as though they are the only religions that have texts?
     
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    The issue in the Middle East is specifically about the Messianic prophecy; once that is fixed, then we can link all the other religious ideas under a larger scope.

    Since proving the Messiah proves a Divine Messenger; it also then gives some authority to support official religious doctrine in the world.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    How does that prove the existence of a divine messenger? All you have are old stories.
     
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    I have a sister who right now is refusing to visit her aunt (and teaching her kids to do the same) because she's in a nursing home.

    It personally doesn't matter what she believes religiously, but her attitude stinks.

    Likewise, it doesn't matter what your dogma is, but if you treat family or friends or other people like crap, your attitude stinks and you desire to be called out on it.
     
  5. wizanda

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    People look for miracles, when we should look for wisdom; fixing the alignment of the texts, means we can then clearly identify Messianic prophecy in the past about Yeshua, which fixes the differences between Christianity, Zionism, and Muhammadanism.

    Once that is established, which takes great wisdom to solve, we can prove who the Messiah's 2nd coming is from within the texts.

    Which then means people actually are realistic when the Messiah, a Divine Being sent from Heaven is explaining quantum physics from the commandments or advanced human biology from the Forms of Yoga, correctly aligned with Chakras, etc.

    How do the old stories make an equation logical enough to prove the person; because cryptically we can show Yeshua Elohim in multiple places correlating in Isaiah 52:10, that was the fulfilment of the Crucifixion (Isaiah 53), and then we have King Zion Elohim in Isaiah 52:7.

    We can show by exegesis that King David is me, where I prophesied myself to return as Yehoshua the suffering High Priest, and then as the returning victorious King Zion in the Psalms; thus fulfilling prophecy of becoming of the order of Melchizedek, which means a Righteous King & Priest (Psalms 110).

    Because of corruption, people have not been wise enough to comprehend the basics; which is why we're on the verge of War, instead of World Peace in the Middle East.

    According to prophecy the Rabbi have messed everyone's head up, from their lack of understanding (Zechariah 11:15-17), thus have been unintentionally lying to everyone (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29); where they've created Christianity (John, Paul, and Simon), and then Islam was sent to correct it, which has then been turned into Muhammadanism (Ezekiel 22:3).

    When we understand the concepts surrounding the name cryptically, which makes an exact equation in the texts globally; plus that the knowledge I've had since 5-6 years old about the corruption in the Bible can be clearly shown to be legitimate - The case starts adding up to a massive explanation, that can all then be justified academically.

    In other words through study of details, we can prove the facts.

    If we do not prove these facts soon, and people do not listen globally, I'm not going around telling everyone the "Messiah is here"; if people will not make the effort to listen on this forum, then humanity will soon be over...

    Where it is prophesied we keep the Enlightened Saints after, and come to an Age of Godliness, with those who have already studied.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I don't see it like this. What I see are people taking life far too seriously in unnecessary ways, and not seriously enough in others. While I don't discount people's mental states or feelings at any given moment, I very often question whether or not they have spent much time at all examining those feelings and their relation to the rest of the world outside of themselves, rather than just concentrating on those feelings, lamenting them or their causes, and thereby amplifying the effect to their lives.

    In the end I very much believe that people give various emotional aspects of their lives the power to harm themselves. Those things don't need to be so powerful, and in fact there are tools one can employ that may allow them to take the wind out of the sails of nearly any emotional "calamity."
     
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    This is not "easy." I, for one, am not willing to spend hours upon hours upon days upon weeks of my life reading conflicting religious texts, using my imagination to look for imaginary strings that tie them together. And if God or the "supreme CPU", or whatever it is, has made it this difficult to learn "the truth" then screw that being. He/she/it can go to hell. I don't need it, don't care, don't even want to deal with it - and NEVER would I worship or praise such a doofus-like, stinky, crap-brained, moronic being such as the one being described by all the monotheists I have ever heard from in my life. I am fine with the reality I am presented with. I don't need all sorts of "supposed" stories poured on top of it like some sticky, dirt-filled, sappy syrup. I'll live my life as I see fit. Not as YOU would have me live it in any sense. And THAT is literally what you are asking. For people to grant your wackadoo ideas a large chunk of the precious time they have to actually take advantage of the amazing privilege we living, sentient beings get by being alive. There is zero warrant to believing you. Zero. If such a thing could go into the negatives, then that's where believing your ideas should be. Even less than zero weight granted them.

    If I ever find out you are right and I was completely wrong in all this, guess what? I won't care anyway - because the responsibility for having made "the truth" accessible wasn't on MY shoulders. Not hardly. I'll accept precisely ZERO blame for the state of affairs of the world, and, as I have often related, oblivion is what I expect at the end of this life anyway - so I will have lost nothing by my own estimation. If anything, in finding that you are right about the 11+dimensions, your obtuse uses of the word "quantum", and that idea that the universe is just some program being executed on a godly CPU - I would simply take a moment to marvel at how weird and ridiculously the universe is constructed, organized and executed, and then welcome oblivion knowing that I wouldn't want to spend another minute in that perverse lala-land anyway - because it definitely wasn't the place I thought it was.
     
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    We're in a computer game, where we could exist for infinity in a playground; yet the attitude of some is awful sorry, the idea of ranting at me, about how much the Source is at fault for the lack of aptitude by others, isn't logical.

    I'm here as a character in the game learning the mechanics, whilst then explaining them for others, and arguing it isn't right is not the point...

    The point is we soon all die if we do not fix the religious issue in the Middle East, and honestly people who have just argued about it all, deserve deleting when it happens, for not helping save anyone's life, other than their own.

    I don't even like man made religions, I've read them to explain them for mortals, and prefer complex musical algorithms; where I now sit pleading people's religions, with people who are too selfish to have already realized mankind depends on them individually, to read each others texts.

    It is like there is a guidebook saying, 'Read this to Avoid Fire', and there are people arguing, "I don't like guidebooks!"...

    So some try explaining it to them, and then they start arguing, how we're opinionated for explaining how the fire will take place, as they didn't want to listen to the guidebook. :confused:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I'd ask where is God in all of this...
    Pretty gnarly being put in your position. God ain't doing you any favors.
    I suspect most folks are too busy trying to survive in this world (created by God) to have much time left over to save it.

    Why create a world that needs saving then set up circumstances making it impossible to do so?
    Man has an inherent need to survive. To survive, man needs to consume the world. We gotten very successful at it, too good perhaps.

    A "God" you'd think would know the outcome of this setup. If you fail in your mission, you'd think God would already know long before it was even given to you.

    If you fail, who are you going to blame? Yourself? Mankind?
    IMO, man is doing his best according to what has been given to him to know.

    Man cannot change his nature, whether given by God or evolution. If we fail, we fail because of who we are. Something none of us chose. Man is blameless.
     
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    I'm not the one who needs to do anything, if no one accepts studying the religious texts, and understanding the issues as stated; then mankind dies in a Great Battle, and after the Source recreates reality with the Enlightened Saints.

    I used to have more blame that mankind will wipe its self out; yet now I'm aware people are selfish, and we're down near Hell before Judgement Day.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    If "The Source" cares at all, then it would make the information more accessible, and is at fault if it isn't - I mean seriously, who else could possibly be held responsible? Literally NO ONE ON EARTH IS "getting it" EXCEPT FOR YOU. That's the state of affairs we're looking at. The moment the fail rate of a "teacher" is 99.99999999%, you look at THE TEACHER, NOT THE STUDENTS, as the source of the problem.

    If "The Source" doesn't care, and is ultimately in control of the entire simulation (AKA "life is a lie"), then dangling this "infinity in a playground" carrot in front of people isn't going to do you any good at all. I know I wouldn't want an infinite existence as the plaything of some "Source." Count me out. I don't care to have "aptitude" in the things you seem to feel you excel at, if what it gets me is an infinite existence inside a prison cell. I don't want someone on the outside who has it all figured out with the ability to just pull strings in a different direction at any moment. Come to think of it, this is probably some of the issue I take with there existing a God in the first place. I don't like the idea of ultimately having no hope whatsoever of an existence that I am an actual, effectual agent within. And there is literally ZERO compelling evidence that there is some "God" or "Source", and nothing in the reality I experience informs me that such a thing is necessary - so why would I sign up to believe it when I do not have to? Once I actually HAVE TO believe it - because the reality presents itself CLEARLY, then I will obviously not shy away from the truth... but as far as I can tell, the stuff you're spewing forth is NOWHERE NEAR "the truth."

    Right, wrong... what does it matter? I don't want any part of the strange "existence" you're describing, period. As stated, you're not going to win me over with the promise of "eternity in the simulation." My personality and disposition do not, in any way, allow me to desire the utter crap you are offering. Peddle your wares elsewhere and stop trying to guilt me into believing you because you feel sad about your version of the end of the world. Your claims are only unique in their specifics... they are NOT special as a generality. Thousands upon thousands before you have claimed to know or predict the circumstances surrounding the end of the world. You can prove yours to be no different. Or I should say... you've tried... but you've offered nothing more substantial than anyone else in history - ALL of whom were proven WRONG by the simple progression of TIME. You have your scripture, your tenuous links and interpretations, your conspiracy theories.

    If everything you say is true, then SIGN ME UP FOR DELETION RIGHT NOW. Seriously... can I petition or request such from "The Source?" Are you in direct contact with "The Source?" Can you request for me that I be deleted? Do it. Do it now. As stated, I don't want to exist in the ridiculous universe you have described. Count me out. Delete away. I'll be waiting.

    My guess however? Nothing will happen. Nothing. I won't be "deleted" - I won't hear from "The Source", you won't actually deliver my message at all. But in the end it doesn't matter. If this is all a simulation, guess what? I'm fine with it being flushed down the toilet... me along with it. Let's do this.

    Stick to music. Be like me... don't give a crap about a simulation. Just do it. It's easy, I assure you.

    No no no... you have it all wrong It is like there is a guidebook saying, "Read this to avoid schmargubitz." and then when I ask you what the hell that is, you tell me it's the culmination of all religious prophecy resulting in the end of the world. And I say: "You just made that up, didn't you?" And you say "Nuh uh!"... and that's about it. Or at least it may as well be. You're just talking nonsense. Nonsense. You are not to be believed. You have no real evidence - I have seen what you have to offer with my own eyes. It isn't good enough. "The Source" - if it told you to go about the business of informing everyone - is playing a huge joke on you. It SO OBVIOUSLY didn't give you ANY of the proper tools to convince ANYONE. Seriously... just give it up. It isn't worth it. At all. It's "just a simulation" after all. Who the hell cares?
     
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    We're down near Hell according to many of the world's religious texts; where people have already proven they're failures, else they'd not be still down here before Judgement Day (Revelation 6:9-11).

    Stating that people are stupid in some way, isn't something you needed to tell us.
    Actually the textual evidence is quite clear in many religions, it says all nations have a Great War with Israel, and we're all invited (Joel 3:2, Zechariah 12:3, Isaiah 29:7, Revelation 20:9, Isaiah 13:4, Zephaniah 2:1-2, etc); after everyone is dead in the Great Tribulation, the Source resurrects the Enlightened Saints.

    This idea of a book that people can not read which appears 'schmargubitz', is prophesied in Isaiah 29:9-14.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    I'm pessimistic that bad consequences for many people will be involved in the future as global warming and world population growth intersect and result in famine and competition for basic necessities.

    I don't see where religion comes into that. Religion may be harnessed for tribal causes including warfare, one of its traditional roles in history, but that won't be the fault of religion as such.

    I also don't see how reading all the sacred texts of the major religions will let the reader find a single cause, process or remedy relevant to the situation. If you have one, it might be helpful if you stated it, not omitting the part that addresses the global warming and overpopulation problems.
     
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    The religions try to unite people into a brotherhood of man, to prevent the secular governments fighting over power...

    Because the governments have learned they can make religions fight each other; unless we learn the religions, the world Leaders are planning according to the prophets in religion, to soon make us all destroy our self fighting over religion.
    Global warming is easily fixed under accepting the Messiah globally, as people united can actually move mountains between us.

    Over population is due to diet, we can not sustain a planet killing animals; it is too resource destructive for such an amount of people.

    This is also the largest contributing factor to global warming, waste from cattle, and the amount of destruction from agriculture.

    Since it was religion that taught us killing animals is fine; literally religion is the issues in the world, and if people do not fix them, we soon all die.

    In my opinion.
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    Or else they go on being separators, distinguishing one tribe from another.
    So when you say 'religions', you only mean those Abrahamic religions that have a messiah legend, and you exclude Hindus, Buddhists, Shinto, and all the rest?
    No, overpopulation is due to there being more people than the planet can sustain, even if all of them become vegetarian; and the more people, then the record so far says still increasing pollution of land, air, water and ocean.
    No, it's big but it's nothing like the largest.
    It wasn't religion that made genus Homo, including us, omnivores ─ it was, and is, evolution.
     
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    The Kalki Purana has a Rider on a White Horse from the Place of Peace (Shambhala), who is the 25th incarnation of Vishnu.

    In Revelation the 24 Elders have given their crown to the 25th Rider on a White Horse; who comes from a place of peace (New Jerusalem), to fight the sinful behaviour with the Words of his Mouth.

    The Riders Name in Revelation is a mixture of the name Sandalphon, Sananda, Zion, and in the Bhagavad Gita, Skanda says he will come on a white being at the End of Time - There is only one Religion.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Oh man... how funny. OF COURSE you would take this as meaning that everyone else was stupid, but you just happened to be "smart" enough to have figured all this stuff out. Of course you would. Oh boy... where does the conversation even go from here? Let me assure that that is NOT the case. There are plenty of smart and clever people on this planet... and what I was really saying is that the fact that they haven's "figured out" what you have supposedly figured out should actually tell you more about the plausibility of the claims your making. As in... there is nothing there to be figured out. It likely isn't real, and the links and connections you are making to get you to your conclusions are not any good to begin with. If no one else has followed the trail of bread crumbs and come to your same conclusions, and the truth of your points and hypotheses CANNOT BE DEMONSTRATED to a general audience, then you most likely need to turn the lens of scrutiny on yourself - NOT claim that everyone else is just too stupid.

    Not it isn't.

    So... just curious... the texts of Hinduism say this? Zoroastrianism? Jainism? Are we just discounting the Greek religious texts out of hand here? Norse legend? You seem very concentrated on the texts of the Abrahamic religions, and your claim seems to be that this constitutes the "many religions" your referring to. Well, I hate to burst your bubble - but most of those religions have a plagiarism of early Judaism as their basis. So, "many religions" they only sort of are, but sort of not. I know you are aware of this perspective on the situation - but it apparently bears repeating.

    Again, this is in The Bible only. Why hold this text in such high regard? Do you have any sufficient explanation other than just an empty claim of "because it is the truth?" As in - do you have concrete evidence that The Bible is more cogent than any other religious text ever written that DOESN'T contain these prophecies you're so fond of? So, we first must ascertain and come to the conclusion that The Bible is even worth listening too, and then ON TOP OF THAT, we have to make the huge leaps you make yourself in interpretation of the texts to refer to YOU specifically. It's way too much to ask. That is the position I take, and will hold to until you have something better to present that verifies the truth of your claims. What you have presented thus far, as I have stated, is not at all good enough. It wouldn't hold up in front of a panel of Biblical scholars, wouldn't hold up in court, obviously hasn't even passed the test on "Religious Forums." It's going nowhere fast, and will continue to do so until you come up with something undeniable. Something in facts and figures that doesn't have a logical hole that can be found within it. You don't have that. Be realistic here. YOU DON'T HAVE THAT.
     
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    Seriously this is a great example of missing the point, there is a guy on a bridge about to commit suicide; so far in terms of understanding the dire situation that caused it, you've gone about trying to tell the guy he is wrong for everything, as you know best... :oops:

    The world's religions in the Middle East are clearly about to fight each other, with religious prophecy informing us humanity dies in the process, and whilst all you can do is claim others are wrong, it actually detriments the process of anyone understanding how to fix the situation. :(
    I was given the info at 5-6 years old on Yeshua not going around saying. "I Am", and on the fulfilment of Revelation 10 at twenty one years old, I was shown how the Bible was a Snare to catch out the dumb demons down here... I read the Bible at 24.

    I'm thinking some of the people on this forum need to be more realistic, I'm literally only doing this as a job for Source; I can not stand this clerically religious minded stuff, yet am explaining it for people before the End of Time.
    The Saoshyant (Bringer of Truth) comes before Frashokereti Judgement Day Fire, where there is a Great Battle before it.

    Zand Avesta means an Exegesis on the Avesta.
    Have just posted this, I think you're not paying attention to the vast amount of info I've already posted in threads, and are merely debating the one line of text in our conversations; this would explain the illogicality, as currently it is just so random how you attack each bit, rather than missing even the contexts of the thread.
    They have the Rider on the White Horse before Ragnarök... Odin can be spelled 'wōđanaz'.
    Take into account Zan is another spelling of Zeus.
    I've yet to research this.
    Because these are some of the clearest, and most detailed.
    Hindu texts are 4.5k, Zoroastrian 4k, Moses 3.5k... The ideas found at the start of the Bible are a simplified version of Hindu texts.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    If that's what you think then that's what you think.

    I see no sign of it in reality.
     
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    Sorry, this analogy doesn't work. The more proper framing of the situation is that it's you CLAIMING that I am the one standing on a precipice, and that all you're trying to do is talk me down. Except I don't see a precipice like the one you're describing, I certainly didn't choose the circumstances that led to there being a precipice in the first place, and so your words describing how I have put myself in the danger and you're "only trying to help" just don't fit the situation quite right. The intuition recognizes this major disconnect, and shuts down the possibility for compliance.

    And if these religions simply didn't exist, then there probably wouldn't be such trouble. That's my take, and so I feel I am doing my part in the agenda I believe needs set... which is to talk people's heads down out of the clouds. You may ask me why I think this charge is any better, or more important than yours, but that question misses the point entirely. I GET TO DECIDE what I feel is important. Not you. Again, you can PROVE to me why something is important... but proof of anything does not include premonition of things that may or may not come to pass. That's never "proof." If you could establish a chain of events that NECESSARILY lead to the thing you're describing, that would at least be something. But as I have stated time and time again, from what I have seen, you have nothing.

    If you can't stand it THEN STOP. I am giving you permission. Screw "The Source." I'm pretty sure it isn't worth consideration. And if it is... maybe it should make that fact more evident? As it stands it isn't at all evident. It just isn't. Maybe YOU think it is, because you believe it visited you, and it talks to you of dire circumstances, and a scary "END." The end doesn't sound all that scary to me, to be honest. "Deletion" sounds fairly innocuous, to tell the truth. But I get it... people don't like the whole "Fire and brimstone" thing - which you try to avoid. And, I have to admit that most fear tactics don't really work on me either. So you're kind of stuck having to have something pretty dulled down. I get that there will be wars and suffering and such, but it all sounds pretty temporary. I can do temporary. Point being - I am not scared of your prophecies. I am not scared of your "Source." I'm confident barely anything will happen as you specifically describe, and I am also confident that there is no "Source." You see... something has also been speaking to me for my entire existence. I haven't told you yet, because I didn't want you to think I sounded crazy, but it is true! My intuition relays to me constantly that people who claim to have knowledge of spiritual/spirit realms are just full to their eyeballs with bovine fecal matter. And my intuition has been a VERY valuable companion, and a very helpful, and most times correct voice in my ear. He and I have such a close relationship, it'd be really hard for you to break in there and shake things up. So, sorry... you're pre-empted, and there's really nothing I am willing to do about it.
    You do realize that stuff like this represents the BEST evidence you have, right? And that's just terrible, I'm afraid. I mean really, really awful stuff.

    I see... you mean this then?:
    I'm afraid it's just more of the same, unfortunately. Do Hindu scholars agree with your assessment? Do they even know of your assessment? Is ANYONE looking for someone named "Zanda" to lead the charge come the end times? Again - WHO ELSE has this stuff figured out like you do? Anyone? Are 99.999999999999% of the students still failing class? Seems to me like a pretty done deal then, and as stated, I am 100% willing to live (or die) with the consequences. I'm 100% serious. Sorry for your luck. I am who you have to deal with. Maybe "The Source" should have provided some better students. We all suck man. It's all our fault. We're such obstinate/stubborn idiots. And I admit, I am just going to keep on being obstinate and stubborn. I am. I'm so dumb. Dude, you have no idea. I just can't help myself apparently. Bring it "Source!" Let's get it over with... I, for one, am definitely not worth saving. Oh wait... I don't believe any of this stuff!! Whew...

    And this is relevant how... ?????

    Once again, your name/nickname/new-name, etc. are all being used interchangeably here, and however you want to fit things into your narrative or the current context. So... "Zan" is written in Greek, is it? Or is that a phonetic thing? This is once again me trying to get you to realize that A NAME MEANS NOTHING. It doesn't. The name of something is its name in a particular cant/language/vernacular, and NOWHERE ELSE. Does "Zan" have representations in every language? Every culture? Would even THAT matter? You couldn't convince me that it did. You simply couldn't. An apple is "apple" in English... "manzana" in Spanish... oh wait! I see it! See that "ZAN" in "MANZANA?" The APPLE! The fall of Adam and Eve! The fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil! IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW! And THAT'S how you sound. Seriously. Ever see the "Illuminati confirmed" series of videos? They're hilarious... and that's exactly what you're doing here. A Dorito has 3 sides... you know what else has three sides? A triangle! Conclusion: "Illuminati confirmed!"

    Hindus share your understanding on this point do they?
     
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