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This has happened before. What political actions were taken? What were the results?
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Is there still a GOP?
- Thread starter Evangelicalhumanist
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This has happened before. What political actions were taken? What were the results?
Yes, indeed there is. Too bad the crazies are turning on them instead of listening to them.
"Ein Folk, ein Reich, ein Fūhrer?"
Who are "the crazies?"
Heyo
Veteran Member
It has a nice ring of unity to it, doesn't it? No critical factions, no insecurity about the way, just follow the Trump.
Rot is endemic in both parties.
Some decades though, it just stinks a little extra.
What are the facts indicating that democracy is dead?
I trust that you don't vote then, eh.
Your response would indicate an agenda-driven understanding of the terms "democracy" and "facts."
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
The way the current GOP differs from the GOP of the past, was that Trump was able to get their agenda done. Before Trump was president, the GOP had the same agenda as him, but the party was more than willing to just talk about it and then accept a secondary role to the Democrat party. The Democrat party would vote lockstep like trained horses, with the Republicans more thoughtful and split, before Trump.
Trump repaired the split in the GOP by getting their agenda done. This is why the Republicans started to follow Trump, even though there was a rocky start due to the Russian Collusion Coup. Mitt Romney and Trump may still have a personality clash, but both can see the common goals and needed outcomes. The GOP has learned to put aside personality, and work as a team, with shared goals. The Russian Collusion Coup was too much about personality which is useful for actors but not statesmen and stateswomen.
This get the job done approach has messed up the Democrat party and caused it to go way too far Left. The Democrat party needed to go too far Left to match the drive and enthusiasm of the unified Trumpsters. This helped the GOP, since the new agenda of the Democrat party became farther from the mainstream. The pandemic sealed the fate of the Democrat party, when its true authoritarian colors were shown. The CDC is now changing course about its pandemic strategy, more in line with the GOP states, since the writing is on the walls.
The GOP, on the other hand, has made inroads with Hispanics and Black voters due to Trump. Trump did more for the Blacks and Hispanics, compared to the promises and throw a bone solutions of the Democrats. These groups did not just want welfare, but more opportunities and jobs. These groups used to exclusively vote for the Democrat party, until they had the opportunity to see which side was making promises and which side was doing what it said.
There is an old saying you can give a man a fish and feed him today. Or you can teach him to fish so he can feed themselves forever. GOP was the party of the teachers of fishing. The Hispanics see this and wish to have the American dream and fish for themselves.
The push too far to Left, no longer works for these groups, who now better relate to the GOP. The GOP has become the party of the blue color and middle class and all those who wish to enter the middle class. The Democrat party alliance with Wall Street, Big media, Big Tech, Intelligence Agencies, and Big government Bureaucracy and Globalist makes them appear like the party of the rich and pampered classes, who think there are above the law; dual justice system.
I think the Democrat party needs to be dissolved and then reinvent itself, by finding a way to get back to the middle. The GOP may help this after the midterms, when the criminals high up in the party, will be the subjects of investigations. Like the FBI, the problem is not the rank and file, but leaders who got too political and forgot about the people. If Trump wins, the bureaucratic state will also be on notice.
A public servant should be closer to the staff at a vacation resort, where the paying clients are the top priority. The goal of the staff is get these customers to return each year because of outstanding customer service. Now, Big Gov is more in the image of the Democrat Party; overlord mentality. The bureaucratic state is above the law since you cannot fire anyone no matter how poor their performance.
Government should not be led by incompetent people who give the tax payer a large negative rate of return; budget deficits and interest on previous debt We need more fiscally responsible leaders. If I am not mistaken all 50 states have a balanced budget requirement. The Federal Government has too many leaders who are not competent enough to do this. To solve the problem, there may be an upcoming shift of resources back to the states, so tax payers gets a better deal, until Big Gov can get its act together.
There is so much good change, that the Democrat are sad about the glory days when the GOP was not able to stop their incompetence and reckless spending. They project and do not see that they are problem.
I think its worse, what is destroying the party is beyond Trump, I think it has more to do with the religion of the extreme right than the person of Trump who is the present vehicle for their agenda.
PureX
Veteran Member
Not necessarily the religion of the extreme right, but the nihilistic fantasies of a new "Wild West" emerging from the ashes of national collapse. A fantasy where the extreme right gets to rule their own destiny through the power of their stockpile of guns and ammo and camo-fashion.
Meanwhile the real GOP is still determined to turn the US into a giant perpetual money pump for the rich and their criminal class cronies.
1980's?!
For the sake of discussion, let's say a party wanted to improve our infrastructure. Whether or not they set a measurable goal, their progress could be measured.
Bingo! But I would amend that a bit and say that corruption is the overwhelming norm in DC, but the GOP is way more corrupt than the Dems, corrupt as they are.
Corporations are able to donate massive sums, anonymously, to buy candidates of their choice.
Corporations are able to fund campaigns, anonymously, under the guise of concerned citizens.
Legislation no longer reflects the will of the people,it reflects the will of the oligarchs.
You've read Gilens' and Page's, Princeton study.
My agenda is democracy and the welfare of The People.
You think there weren't shady forces behind the
scene before? Oh, how Pollyanna!
About the will of the people....it should be "peoples".
There are conflicting goals among groups, so no
single one gets to dominate. For example, abortion
rights were just lost...why? The will of one people.
Before that, it was the will of another people.
Do you vote?
To be fair the Republican Party was at one time a very liberal progressive party. You have to go back to the 1800’s, but they were.
Strange but true.