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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by questfortruth, Jul 10, 2017.

  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    Let us consider the Being, Who got to know absolutely everything. Such Being knows, what He exists. Therefore, because among the knowledge we have found this particular knowledge, the Omniscient Being exists.

    The question of God's existence can not be answered negatively, therefore the Reason and God can not be separated.
     
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    Not sure if I follow. Can you say it a different way?
     
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    There is no limit to knowledge because of man's ability to create.

    Man can create whatever God he wishes and worship God, or not as man sees fit.

    Man has created an estimated 28 million Gods so far.

    The modern dominant (that is, have the most adherents) religions are monotheistic, but they are few in number. Wikipedia lists 309 Hindu deities. The ancient Hittites claimed to have 1000 deities in their pantheon. So for a rough estimate of the average number of deities per religion, we'll take the average of these 3 figures, giving 440 deities per religion.

    This gives an estimate of N = 28,000,000.

    How many gods?


    Just knowing about each one of those Gods is a lot to know about.
     
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    This is unreadable, because it says "Who got to know absolutely everything." Restated it sounds like this: "Who has a need to have all information." The phrase 'God to know' implies a need to know.
    This also is unreadable. The word 'What' does not make sense in this sentence. I can only guess your intention.
    This is also unreadable. The phrase 'Because among the knowledge we have found' sounds like saying "everything we know." The whole thing seems to mean "Therefore, considering everything we have learned, we know the Omnicient Being exists," but its uncertain whether that is what you mean. You could mean something else.
    I can read this part, but I do not understand the other parts.
     
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    Yep, bit of a word salad there Questfortruth, are you making some sort of ontological/presuppositional argument for the existence of god? That "God" is Knowledge and Reason, so we cant reason without "God" being necessarily existent?
     
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    I see, if we assume that a being that knows everything exists, then that being would know that it exists. Well, that is certainly true, but begging the question.

    Yes, the existence of an omniscient being can be denied. Watch: I deny the existence of an omniscient being. Reason doesn't require such a being to exist. Nor does knowledge.
     
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    Let us imagine the Being, who knows everything. So, He must know also, what He Himself exists. Therefore, among the treasure of knowledge we have following knowledge: omniscient Being must exist.
     
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    Anselm?
     
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    There are no presuppositions here. Can you pick some? I can't see any. The Reason comes with God, the false atheism is a wishful thinking. The adjective "false" comes from the fact, what God is proven: the proofs are part of Reason, the Reason comes with God, so the God must be proven. So, the sentence "No God" is false, therefore the atheism is false.
     
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    Perhaps I have repeated him, I am not aware.
     
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    A very poor example of such an argument.
     
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    Yes, he basically says God exists because it's too good not to be true. I find that faulty.
    Is what I have written to Polymath257 above essentially what you're saying?
     
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    Same/same for Santa Claus, leprechauns and pink unicorns.
    therefore the Reason and Santa Claus, leprechauns and pink unicorns can not be separated.

    Maybe you need to rework the logic of your construct a bit, this is not going where you want it to.
     
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    It might have been the way you phrased it mate, but you seemed to be implying that we cannot reason without god existing, because god is the source of all reason, the "objective origin". A sort of Sye Ten Bruggengate argument. Whatever, ontological or presuppositional, I reject both! :)

    Here's one - god is supposed to know all things, but there may be something god doesn't know, so how would he know he doesn't know it? There are times in the bible when god appears to be surprised by events, or frustrated because his plans go wrong. Perhaps god exists, but he is not all knowing, all powerful, and omnipresent. Maybe he is as fallible as us, and temporal even? The bible says we were made in god's image after all.
    It would explain why the world is always in a mess, god is a bit of a buffoon at times. I think that explanation makes more sense than "The Fall" tbh.
     
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    No.
     
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    Do not twist my words, I wrote, what I wrote.
     
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    The Bible is written for the humans, it is not the God's personal log.
     
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    ... and I demonstrated, in a proper fashion, why your logical construct is, in point of fact, incorrect. Try again.
     
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    I think you'll find it is the infallible Word of God if you ask an Evangelical Christian. On this occasion I'm siding with the Evangelical Christian! ;)
     
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    Polymath257,
    Being a polymath, you know much about many things. It seems though that one field of knowledge, the most important one, you have, at best, a nodding acquaintance. That knowledge is what you get from Bible study. The Bible itself proves, beyond doubt that God exists, so read it and pray for understanding, and you will understand God's purpose for you and the earth, Proverbs 2:1-10, Romans 12:1:2, 1Thessalonians 5:21, Hebrews 5:11-14.
     
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