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Is there anything in the concepts of deity that is not arbitrary?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by LuisDantas, Feb 23, 2015.

  1. Disciple of Jesus

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    No, it is your description of ''monotheist'', that I don't share. monotheism, to me, just means worship of one deity, nothing beyond that.
     
  2. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    So you are calling monolatry (the worship of one deity coupled with the belief in the existence of others) monotheism as well?
     
  3. Disciple of Jesus

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    Sure. Why?
     
  4. LuisDantas

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    Well, monotheism is not the most rigorously defined of concepts, but general understanding is that it is not the same thing as monolatry.

    A strict or extreme monotheist will actively disbelieve in the existence in any deities except the one he or she worships.

    A monolatrist by definition does not.
     
  5. Disciple of Jesus

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    If Jesus literally is the ''son of G-d'', *and a separate entity, isn't this not monotheism?


    *I don't believe that btw/
     
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    paarsurrey said:
    One-True-God is not a human construct.

    And your evidences that One-True-God is a human construct, please

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  7. LuisDantas

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    Who can possibly know for sure? Not me.

    I can see valid arguments for pantheism, strict monotheism, monolatry and henotheism fitting well with the Christian conception of deity.

    I can even see legitimaly switching from one to the other at a moment's notice, in a whim. Such a god is supposedly far beyond our poor, limited conceptions of quantity and our sorry expectations of stability and predictability.

    Of course, I see better arguments for disbelieving the whole package lock stock and barrel, so make of that what you will.
     
  8. LuisDantas

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    My testimonial, for one. I can tell for a fact that there are diverse, mutually exclusive accounts of how and who the One True God is supposed to be.

    That alone is basically conclusive evidence.
     
  9. paarsurrey

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    Please elaborate.

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  10. LuisDantas

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    Another way of putting it - the correct way, IMO - is that I do not need to provide any evidence that god is a human creation.

    Instead, those who have a problem with my saying so ought instead to give me any reason not to.

    I can no more prove that god does not exist beyond human conceptions of same than I can prove that Scooby Doo is not real. And there is really no reason to be bothered by either of the two impossibilities.

    For another way of putting it, google for Russell's Teapot.
     
  11. paarsurrey

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    Do you think that if you don't believe in something or some person, the thing or the person does not or cannot exist in reality?

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  12. LuisDantas

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    Of course not. But I do know that there is madness and little benefit in attempting to live as if everything that some people believe to be real is indeed real, regardless of actual evidence or lack thereof.
     
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    For me it is understanding the ability of man to construct Gods. It is possible for man to construct a God. I know this is true. Man can also experience the apparent reality of this God he has constructed.

    Since man is capable of this, this is the simplest explanation. We have a working explanation which hasn't been dis-proven. One which makes a lot more rational sense then a supernatural explanation.

    So I would need something, some evidence which disproves this explanation. Otherwise why should I toss it out? You'd have to show me something which cannot be explained by this.

    I'm not above accepting evidence which I find credible. In fact I'm looking for it. I'm happy to correct or disregard this explanation if it can be shown to be false.
     
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    And your facts for believing this true?

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    Because I've created my own God and experience the reality of God's existence. I know it is possible because I have done it.
     
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    Soooooo many adjectivally religious theologies refering to soooooo many gods.
    I'll stay with zero reception of any worshipping from me,
    there are no gods, except maybe Wind's gods, that he doesn't believe in.
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  17. Muffled

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    What I am saying is that I believe among all the gods and religions, God and Christianity shine with worth and are most helpful.
     
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    No, I believe that only means that people are as dumb as rocks.
     
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    I believe Jehovah is not cultural but He does address the culture of people. So the Arabs had a culture of stealing which required a law to cut off a person's hand which is better than being killed for it I suppose.
     
  20. LuisDantas

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    Still not seeing how that evidences that deities aren't ultimately entirely arbitrary, but if you say so.
     
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