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Is There any Link Between Conservative Political and Social Views and...

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Is there any link between conservative political and social views and living a stale, passionless life?

I don't have any firm conclusions, but I have some very strong suspicions. Today's conservatism isn't like the conservatism I grew up with and once espoused. It is far heavier, far more oppressive, far more fearful, far angrier than anything I've ever seen before on the conservative side of the aisle. There seems to be very little positive and upbeat about it.

I've been wondering if internalizing such views and opinions can lead people to live fearful, angry, oppressed lives? Lives that seem to them stale, dull, boring, and passionless?

I don't see a whole lot of upbeat, happy conservatives these days. Just angry, fearful ones who seem to be kept alive only by their hatred of liberals. Of course, I could be wrong about that. I'm been married. I know what it is to be wrong about everything.

What do you think?
I think your observation is nonsense.

I don´t think you are reflecting anything like who a true Conservative is or what they believe.

Your personal experience cannot be valid indicator for a hundred million people.

There is a group, ostensibly Conservatives, who are populists, not the same at all. They are vocal and sometimes angry, probably with good cause.

As a Conservative Republican, who doesn´t have his head in the sand regarding the radical agenda of some in the democrat party, I am not angry at them, I am amazed by their stupidity and how they want to rape America with it.

I suggest you turn your anger meter toward them, and give us a reading on their rage over the 2016 election, and how they act it out in anger every day.

I live a very happy life in a small town filled with happy Conservative people. We are neither consumed with anger or fear.

We have plenty of ammunition
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Oh please. Don't pretend that tribalism and an "us vs .them" attitude doesn't exist on both sides, especially considering the rhetoric routinely used.

An obvious example of this is conservatives referring to anyone or anything they dislike as "socialist", even though it doesn't fit the actual definition 99% of the time.
A fair observation. Politics have become a tribal war, if it continues it will only do harm. It seems America is no longer important.

Winning the political war is what is important.

The Founders must be spinning in their graves.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You embedded your response within the quote.
You're too sophisticated to commit newbit gaffs!
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
A fair observation. Politics have become a tribal war, if it continues it will only do harm. It seems America is no longer important.

Winning the political war is what is important.

The Founders must be spinning in their graves.
People celebrate political parties like sports teams, and idolize politicians like heroes. They make mountains out of the other side's molehills, and molehills out of their side's mountains. They think their side can do no wrong and that the other side can do no right.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It has been about 20 years since I saw myself as somewhat conservative, but it seems to me that these days conservatives are indeed ruthless to an extent that would be repudiated by their namesakes of the 1980s or so.

Currently, it seems to be all about passionate fear of any kind of acceptance or change - and a whole lot of casual, mindless defamation, libel and gratuitous insults.

The overall effect, at least to me, is one of very fragile people with a lot of serious mental and emotional trouble trying beyond their means to keep a grasp of reality despite themselves. People who are essentially trying to scare and posture their fears away, lying all the time even to themselves.

Yes, it is a caricatural description. Or it should be. But far as I can tell it is very factual and accurate as well.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
Is there any link between conservative political and social views and living a stale, passionless life?

I don't have any firm conclusions, but I have some very strong suspicions. Today's conservatism isn't like the conservatism I grew up with and once espoused. It is far heavier, far more oppressive, far more fearful, far angrier than anything I've ever seen before on the conservative side of the aisle. There seems to be very little positive and upbeat about it.

I've been wondering if internalizing such views and opinions can lead people to live fearful, angry, oppressed lives? Lives that seem to them stale, dull, boring, and passionless?

I don't see a whole lot of upbeat, happy conservatives these days. Just angry, fearful ones who seem to be kept alive only by their hatred of liberals. Of course, I could be wrong about that. I'm been married. I know what it is to be wrong about everything.

What do you think?

I think you need to watch more FOX news. It's all very upbeat and positive. Things are going great. Clinton and Obama will soon be in jail, everyone's got jobs. You can purchase all of the guns you want. It's all rainbows and unicorn farts. You're just spending too much time watching "Fake News". :D
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Is there any link between conservative political and social views and living a stale, passionless life?

I don't have any firm conclusions, but I have some very strong suspicions. Today's conservatism isn't like the conservatism I grew up with and once espoused. It is far heavier, far more oppressive, far more fearful, far angrier than anything I've ever seen before on the conservative side of the aisle. There seems to be very little positive and upbeat about it.

I've been wondering if internalizing such views and opinions can lead people to live fearful, angry, oppressed lives? Lives that seem to them stale, dull, boring, and passionless?

I don't see a whole lot of upbeat, happy conservatives these days. Just angry, fearful ones who seem to be kept alive only by their hatred of liberals. Of course, I could be wrong about that. I'm been married. I know what it is to be wrong about everything.

What do you think?
I think modern "conservatism" is an expression of abuse. I have a few friends who are aligned with this modern conservatism and they share a strikingly similar childhood of violence and abuse. They also share a similar, very Darwinist philosophy on life: that might (money, power, propensity for violence, willingness to deceive, etc.,) does as it pleases, and nothing and no one will intervene. They live in a human sea defined by 'pecking order', where you are either the one doing the pecking, or the one getting pecked. Equality, justice, forgiveness, sharing: these are delusions that we humans like to distract and comfort ourselves with, but that, in the end, are just 'pipe-dreams'.

And the reason they despise "liberals" so much is because they see liberals as being either liars and con-men trying to peddle those pipe-dreams to others, so as to exploit and abuse them, or as hopeless idiots, forever lost in some fantasy of ideological rainbows and unicorns.

The 'neo-conservatives' I have known are very angry about the way they were/are treated by life, and they want to see their suffering spread around for everyone else to experience as they have. That's why they really LIKE the idea of there being big winners and big losers. Of the powerful crushing the weak. Of the 'quick and the dead', so to speak. They love philosophical/economic Darwinism because it is the truth of life as they have experienced it. The strong have done to them as they pleased, and they had to take it. And now they dream of being in that position of power, so they can inflict that abuse on those 'beneath' them. It's a visceral desire. Few of them see this in themselves. But I see it in them. And although I understand it, I feel very sad for them. Because the abuse they suffered growing up has become them. It's heart-braking, because these folks are my friends. This was not their innate nature. It was a poison inflicted upon them, that they could not expel.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Today's conservatism isn't like the conservatism I grew up with and once espoused. It is far heavier, far more oppressive, far more fearful, far angrier than anything I've ever seen before on the conservative side of the aisle. There seems to be very little positive and upbeat about it.

It's because the left projects its hate on to the right. Actual data, not just projected opinion, show that the left has far more extremist and radical views. From Pew research.

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Notice how both moved away from the middle and the right side spike temporarily, but the rest of the right rejected the extremism so it went back down.

The left's extremism has just continued to grow unchecked, and embraced by the left as a whole. So yeah the data shows the angry and zealotry belongs to the left. :D
 

Jeremiah Ames

Well-Known Member
Is there any link between conservative political and social views and living a stale, passionless life?

I don't have any firm conclusions, but I have some very strong suspicions. Today's conservatism isn't like the conservatism I grew up with and once espoused. It is far heavier, far more oppressive, far more fearful, far angrier than anything I've ever seen before on the conservative side of the aisle. There seems to be very little positive and upbeat about it.

I've been wondering if internalizing such views and opinions can lead people to live fearful, angry, oppressed lives? Lives that seem to them stale, dull, boring, and passionless?

I don't see a whole lot of upbeat, happy conservatives these days. Just angry, fearful ones who seem to be kept alive only by their hatred of liberals. Of course, I could be wrong about that. I'm been married. I know what it is to be wrong about everything.

What do you think?

I think you’re absolutely right.

This fear and anger is what brings us guns, walls and insane representatives.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
Oh please. Don't pretend that tribalism and an "us vs .them" attitude doesn't exist on both sides, especially considering the rhetoric routinely used.

An obvious example of this is conservatives referring to anyone or anything they dislike as "socialist", even though it doesn't fit the actual definition 99% of the time.


Oh, of course it exists on both sides.

An obvious example of that is liberals referring to anyone or anything they dislike as "racist" or "Nazis,' even though it doesn't fit the actual definition 99% of the time.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I live in California. Not the coastal part....one has to go over the mountains to see the desert, and where I live, the folks are mostly (whisper this one) politically conservative.

.........as they are pretty much everywhere in California where you can't see the ocean.

I do, however, have to deal with the coastal types, and you are absolutely right.

Nancy Pelosi liberals.

I've lived most of my life in Arizona, although I was born in California and had family there. I'm also aware that there is a sizable number of conservatives (it was the state of Nixon and Reagan, after all). My grandparents lived in Orange County for many years. My mother also lived there most of her life.

To be fair, I realize that no one is straight down the line "liberal" or "conservative" on every issue. Sometimes it seems there are cultural differences as well.
 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
I've lived most of my life in Arizona, although I was born in California and had family there. I'm also aware that there is a sizable number of conservatives (it was the state of Nixon and Reagan, after all). My grandparents lived in Orange County for many years. My mother also lived there most of her life.

To be fair, I realize that no one is straight down the line "liberal" or "conservative" on every issue. Sometimes it seems there are cultural differences as well.

Yep.

I am a registered Libertarian, myself....leaning right wing on many issues, left on others. What that means, mostly, is that I'm in trouble with everybody. ;)

The problem is, the Libertarian party does have a statement...a platform. I disagree with about a third of it. However, that doesn't matter a whole lot. I've never met a Libertarian yet that agreed with all of it, if, that is, they've bothered to read it in the first place.

"herding cats" has a whole new meaning with Libertarians. In fact, I think that it's more accurate to face a clowder of cats and say 'that's going to be like herding Libertarians."
 
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