energy and information can't be created, or destroyed, they are simply transformed, or transferred.
there is no afterlife, there is after terrestrial experience, but life is changing of form, and informing.
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Is there an afterlife?
energy and information can't be created, or destroyed, they are simply transformed, or transferred.
there is no afterlife, there is after terrestrial experience, but life is changing of form, and informing.
To me, any such lie is a harm because it is meant to deceive.
In Scripture, there is No ' afterlife ' teaching, but resurrection - Acts of the Apostles 24:15.
So, ' afterlife ' is a religious lie that a person is more alive after death than before death.
Jesus taught that Scripture is religious truth at John 17:17
To, believe a religious myth (a teaching outside of the Bible ) is teaching what is Not religiously true.
At Christendom's funerals the dead, whether being considered a responsible human or not, is placed in Heaven.
So, I can't see that an ' afterlife ' teaching makes one a responsible human being.
paarsurrey
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I believe It is not a lie but a truth. Quran mentions it and it is an important article of faith of Islam :
Articles of Faith
Islam Ahmadiyya - Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website
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Faithofchristian
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The spirit of Adam and all human beings were with God in heaven.
Before we all came to be here on earth of flesh and blood.
Then God made the body of flesh and blood and put us, the spirits in those body's of flesh and blood,
those spirit beings which are now called human beings of flesh and blood.
This is why it's written in the book of Jeremiah 1:5--"Before I formed you in the belly, I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb"
Seeing that God knew us before he formed us in the belly of our mothers and before we came out of our mothers womb, God knew us.
So that means all humans beings were with God in heaven, before we came to be here on earth.
In the book of Ecclesiastes 12:7--"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return unto God, who gave it"
Therefore upon a person dieing, the spirit returns back to God, who gave it.
This means that all humans beings were with God before we came to be on earth and at death we all return back to God.
Now the question is, For what reason are we here in this body of flesh and blood.
So what happened back when we were spirit beings, that now God has us here on earth of flesh and blood bodies.
Something happened, but what was it, that throughout the bible tells why we are here and for what reason?
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paarsurrey
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The truthful religion lays a great emphasis on the afterlife where the accomplishments of the believers will be appreciated by their Lord. I believe it is very appropriate.
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I must admit that I was Not aware what Islam taught about ' afterlife ' ( more alive after death then before death ).
In Scripture, I find ' The Last Day ' is 'Jesus' Millennium-Long Day' of governing over Earth for a thousand years.
Right now, we are in the ' The Last Days ' of badness according to 2 Timothy 3:1-5,13.
That means we are nearing a soon coming ' time of separating ' to take place on Earth as per Matthew 25:31-33,37,40
In this 'time of separation' people on Earth counted as those figurative humble ' sheep'-like people are alive on Earth, and they can continue to remain alive on Earth living right through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14, and remain alive into the start of calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year reign over Earth.
After that, then there will be the resurrection, so No afterlife teaching is taught in Scripture but 'resurrection' is.
To me 'resurrection' means what Jesus taught is that Scripture is religious truth as per John 17:17.
This is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be' a resurrection.....'
Since Jesus taught resurrection instead of afterlife, then I believe afterlife (more alive after death) is Not scriptural.
Jesus and the old Hebrew Scriptures both teach the dead are in unconscious sleep at death:
- John 11:11-14; Psalms 6:5; Psalms 13:3; Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Isaiah 38:18; Ecclesiastes 9:5
There will be some who have a first or earlier resurrection as per Revelation 20:6.
Whereas the majority of mankind will have a happy-and-healthy physical resurrection during Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.
This is why the Bible says at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.
A person 'alive at death' does Not need a resurrection to anywhere because the living do Not need a resurrection.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Please quote from Jesus.
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Truly Enlightened
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I do not believe in an afterlife because of,
the fact that we need to die first, should send up a very large red flag.
the fact that we are the only creatures on the planet that can conceive of our own mortality.
the fact that self-awareness of our mortality is not essential for survival.
the fact that there is no recorded evidence that supports a resurrection.
the fact that an afterlife could only exist outside of the four fundamental forces of nature.
the fact that we have all experience death, before we were born. Which would be the only rational parallel.
the fact that an afterlife could only exist outside of time, which would be impossible within our universe.
the fact that an afterlife simply tries to placate our fear of death.
How would you feel about an afterlife if you were not the only creatures cursed with this level of self-awareness?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"I must admit that I was Not aware what Islam taught about ' afterlife ' ( more alive after death then before death )."
To know more about the concept of afterlife in Quran/Islam one may access the following link.
Belief in the Day of Judgment | Islam Ahmadiyya
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I suppose I was thinking the passage at John 5:28-29 was one that is familiar to people with what Jesus taught.
There Jesus says, ' ...... for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves will hear his voice,
and shall come forth......unto the resurrection.......'
To, me ' shall come forth ' and ' the hour is coming ' both show: future tense.
Future tense as also found at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......'
Jesus does Not have keys to any ' afterlife ', but for the 'resurrection' as per Revelation 1:18.
I find too at John 11:24 that Jesus' friend Martha also believed in a future resurrection by Martha saying that she would see her dead brother again in the resurrection at the last day. ( Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth). - John 6:40; John 6:44
In Scripture, I find the ' truthful religion ' lays a great emphasis on ' Resurrection '. - John 5:28-29; Revelation 1:18.
Whereas, the afterlife teaching makes a person more alive at death than before death.
No need for a resurrection if the dead are Not dead but still living, still alive.
Jesus believed that Scripture is ' religious truth ' as per John 17:17.
The SIMPLE answer is NO......the SIMPLE explanation is NO EVIDENCE.