It seems like we're mostly leaning towards the Asian religions and philosophies. Wasn't it monks of the Asian traditions who developed the martial arts for self defense? A martial art should never, in my understanding, be used offensively.
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is there a warrior religion?
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Dingbat
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Actually I would suggest Yagyū Munenori's book The Book of Family Traditions on the Art of War you can find it in Cleary's translation of Miyamoto Musashi's book.
The Book of Five Rings: Miyamoto Musashi, Thomas Cleary: 9781590308912: Amazon.com: Books
I found Munenori's book much more interesting as it not only deals with the battlefield but politics, family life, and daily interactions.
Dingbat
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As legend goes the first martial arts were propagated by Chan Master Bodhidharma for meditative and defensive purposes. How true it is I don't know but there is a lot of evidence that a good portion of martial arts came out of various monastic sects.
I thought so. Thanks.
ratikala
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dear john ,
I read back to your introduction , correct me if I'm wrong you are serving in the forces ?
if you dont mind my asking you must be serving along side others of different faiths , have you ever discussed this topic with them ?
also how do you feel that others square caring out what you describe as offensive action with their belifs ?
personaly I am agreeing with dingbat on this one , that the martial arts were never intended to be more than a dicipline and if used in combat to be used only in defence .
however you are in the position of carrying out orders so in that respect you are doing your duty , every country has the wish to protect its people and their freedom ,
the politics of just and unjust wars I will not go in to at this moment as that it is a decision for the whole country to address not a burdon that the men at the front must concider .
I read back to your introduction , correct me if I'm wrong you are serving in the forces ?
if you dont mind my asking you must be serving along side others of different faiths , have you ever discussed this topic with them ?
also how do you feel that others square caring out what you describe as offensive action with their belifs ?
personaly I am agreeing with dingbat on this one , that the martial arts were never intended to be more than a dicipline and if used in combat to be used only in defence .
however you are in the position of carrying out orders so in that respect you are doing your duty , every country has the wish to protect its people and their freedom ,
the politics of just and unjust wars I will not go in to at this moment as that it is a decision for the whole country to address not a burdon that the men at the front must concider .
Originally Posted by john3
This is where I get bottled up in the head, I feel like what im doing is right obviously I can't go into details why after were done feels that way or I would get in trouble for security reasons but I feel like what we do is right were saving people and preventing others from harming those again but it's not defensive. So since no religion anyone can think supports it therefore condemn it how can i really be "part of something spiritually" when nothing accepts it as a act? I get what dingbat is saying it makes sense. But im still physically and mentally doing it on my own accord. That's what makes it all fuzzy
the true question is do you feel that you would like to explore the question of faith ?
if so I do not think that your present duty should prevent you from looking in to individual faiths to see what answers you find .
I do not nececarily think that you need to look for a religion which accepts acts of war , I think you should look for all the principles you feel are inportant .
for instance hindus beleive very strongly in non violence , yet one of the most widely read hindu texts is the bhagavad gita which is a discourse held on a battle feild in which the entire subject matter discussed is how and when one should carry out ones duty , in this case it was the descission to fight to uphold rightiousness and protect the people from a decline in religion and order .
even still this text is not justifying warfare but it speaks more on the subject of duty rightiousness and ones personal relationship with god , you may find this very interesting as it may help you get your feelings straight
in this case hinduism neither supports or condems warfare, but it helps us understand our position and our duty .
but if you feel a need to understand or explore your own spirituality do not let your present circumstances stop you from looking into what feels right for you as a person .
if so I do not think that your present duty should prevent you from looking in to individual faiths to see what answers you find .
I do not nececarily think that you need to look for a religion which accepts acts of war , I think you should look for all the principles you feel are inportant .
for instance hindus beleive very strongly in non violence , yet one of the most widely read hindu texts is the bhagavad gita which is a discourse held on a battle feild in which the entire subject matter discussed is how and when one should carry out ones duty , in this case it was the descission to fight to uphold rightiousness and protect the people from a decline in religion and order .
even still this text is not justifying warfare but it speaks more on the subject of duty rightiousness and ones personal relationship with god , you may find this very interesting as it may help you get your feelings straight
in this case hinduism neither supports or condems warfare, but it helps us understand our position and our duty .
but if you feel a need to understand or explore your own spirituality do not let your present circumstances stop you from looking into what feels right for you as a person .
Well, that's less the philosophy of Bushido, and more Japan's answer to Sun Tsu's Art of War.
Still, I think it's equally as important as the latter for anyone going into active conflict of any kind; Book of Five Rings is actually used frequently by Japanese businessmen, for example.
Well, European martial arts were developed with defense in mind, but not with the same sort of spirit as Asian martial arts; any spirituality European martial arts had likely died off with the native religions. The only survivor that I'm aware of is Germanic religion, which thankfully survived quite coherently through the ages.
The documentary Reclaiming the Blade put it very well. The samurai put his soul into his sword, whereas the knight put his sword into the other guy.
And this goes back to my reference to the Mahabharata. We know that Arjuna was extremely distressed at warring with his own relatives, to the point of laying down his bow. But it was a war to re-establish righteousness, which Sri Krishna sanctioned when all other attempts at peace failed.
ratikala
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si certo
Cosa dici!? Tu parli italiano!? Da quando? La mia italiano succhia un grosso. :biglaugh: Hanno molti anni che non ho parlato italiano. Studiavo italiano a scuola. La famiglia di mia madre erano da Caserta e Maddalona, vicino a Napoli; di mio padre erano da Collesano a Sicilia, vicino a Palermo. Allora, tuttacosa e vicino a Palermo. C'e solamente tre citta a Sicilia... Palermo, Messina, e Siracusa.
C'e solamente tre citta a Sicilia... Palermo, Messina, e Siracusa.
Cosa dici!? Tu parli italiano!? Da quando? La mia italiano succhia un grosso. :biglaugh: Hanno molti anni che non ho parlato italiano. Studiavo italiano a scuola. La famiglia di mia madre erano da Caserta e Maddalona, vicino a Napoli; di mio padre erano da Collesano a Sicilia, vicino a Palermo. Allora, tuttacosa e vicino a Palermo.
SPEAK WORDS WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND!!!!
...ish cacui ai durrug nool...
SPEAK WORDS WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND!!!!
...ish cacui ai durrug nool...
Welll!!!
if you think I'm going to tell you "Mae govannen Legolas, Thranduilion", you have another balrog coming! I don't know how the Dwarvish translated, but it made Haldir step back. It's probably something like "I spit on your grave". That would be a high insult, because Elves don't have graves.
I said
Cosa dici!? Tu parli italiano!? Da quando? [Say what!? You speak Italian!? Since when]? La mia italiano succhia un grosso. [My Italian sucks a fat one]:biglaugh: Hanno molti anni che non ho parlato italiano. Studiavo italiano a scuola. [I haven't spoken Italian in many years. I studied in school] La famiglia di mia madre erano da Caserta e Maddalona, vicino a Napoli [my mother's family were from Caserta and Maddalona, near Naples]; di mio padre erano da Collesano a Sicilia, vicino a Palermo [My father's family were from Collesano, Sicily, near Palermo]. Allora, tuttacosa e vicino a Palermo.
C'e solamente tre citta a Sicilia... Palermo, Messina, e Siracusa. [but then, everything is near Palermo. There are only three cities in Sicily... Palermo, Messina and Siracusa]
Welll!!!
Well, I didn't think so, because I'm not Legolas Thranduilion. ^_^
(you know, I should have looked the phrase up first; I spelled it wrong lol)
Ah. Okies. ^_^ I actually took a few years of French in high school(and subsequently forgot virtually all of it), so I was able to pick bits and pieces from that, but not enough to understand fully.I said
Cosa dici!? Tu parli italiano!? Da quando? [Say what!? You speak Italian!? Since when]? La mia italiano succhia un grosso. [My Italian sucks a fat one]:biglaugh: Hanno molti anni che non ho parlato italiano. Studiavo italiano a scuola. [I haven't spoken Italian in many years. I studied in school] La famiglia di mia madre erano da Caserta e Maddalona, vicino a Napoli [my mother's family were from Caserta and Maddalona, near Naples]; di mio padre erano da Collesano a Sicilia, vicino a Palermo [My father's family were from Collesano, Sicily, near Palermo]. Allora, tuttacosa e vicino a Palermo.
Father Heathen
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No one is Legolas! :drool:
Ishkakwi ai durugnul!
The -ul case ending is masc. sing. genitive...
Fundinul Uzbad Khazadumu. Son of Fundin, Lord of Moria. The -umu may be feminine or neuter sing. gen.
Yes, I am a geek. *heh heh* *snort snort* 
For me it's more like "Aw Crap!"
Ishkakwi ai durugnul!
The -ul case ending is masc. sing. genitive...
Fundinul Uzbad Khazadumu. Son of Fundin, Lord of Moria. The -umu may be feminine or neuter sing. gen.
^_^ So am I... though I don't have time to learn Elvish.
sigh... char* expression = "sad face";
Which dialect, Quenya or Sindarin? They both descend from Proto-Elvish. I swear! he created a proto language and had it diverge into Quenya and Sindarin. Celeborn = Teleporno. There is a regular sound shift between /c/ and /t/ and other phonemes. But the two are still fairly mutually intelligible. That's why Legolas (Sindarin speaker) was able to converse with Haldir, Rumil and Orophin (Quenya speakers). I'm having enough trouble with Sanskrit, which is actually used in the world.
Dingbat
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Which dialect, Quenya or Sindarin? They both descend from Proto-Elvish. I swear! he created a proto language and had it diverge into Quenya and Sindarin. Celeborn = Teleporno. There is a regular sound shift between /c/ and /t/ and other phonemes. But the two are still fairly mutually intelligible. That's why Legolas (Sindarin speaker) was able to converse with Haldir, Rumil and Orophin (Quenya speakers). I'm having enough trouble with Sanskrit, which is actually used in the world.
Either one.
Quenya is WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH WARRIOR RELIGIONS?!