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Featured Is there a war on Christianity in America's Left?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by IndigoChild5559, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    I know.. My brothers were Scouts 2 of them were Eagle Scouts.. My father and his brothers were also Eagle Scouts. I was a Girl Scout.

    This is just ignorance. Can't be helped.
     
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  2. Spartan

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    I disagree. There's a spiritual war going on right now for the soul of America. On the left is subjective morality that is more and more looking like an 'anything goes' Sodom and Gomorrah society, and opposed to that are the moral laws of God and Christianity / Judaism.
     
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    Everyone has subjective morality.
    It's just that some don't know it.
     
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  4. Spartan

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    Bible based believers have objective moral principles originating from a divine source - the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
     
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    Refer to my post in this thread about what Freedom of Religion means. Calling out someone for not baking a wedding cake is not infringing on anyone's religious prerogatives. Don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married. Boy Scouts of America, while a decent organization, needs to be remade into a more inclusive group (Scouts of America), and skip the gendered BS. Or go bankrupt, for not being able to adjust with the times.
     
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    What do you mean ? BSA has scouting all over the world for the past 50 years.. every race and religion.
     
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    Problems with the claim of objectivity....
    - Many versions of The Bible.
    - Each has been re-written from a translation of a translation.
    - Obsolete & poetic language which could mean dang near anything.
    - Picking a religion or a sect within a religion isn't based upon rational thought.
    - Even within a religion, interpretations evolve over time.

    The upshot....
    Christians can be found with any number of conflicting
    beliefs & morals based upon their religion.
    How do they wind up with one set instead of another?
    Personal preference, ie, subjective choice.
     
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  8. The Hammer

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    As in combine boys and girls scouts, literally, stop segregating the two via gender. Both sets of qualities and values taught under both programs, need to be emphasized across both Girls and Boys scouts, not just one or the other. It should be "one" organization. Plus, no one likes the boy scouts popcorn. It's all about the cookies.
     
  9. sooda

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    I loved Girl Scouts and wouldn't have enjoyed mixed scouting.
     
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    I'm sure it's not for everyone, that's the price we pay when things change. I was in boy scouts, it was alright, mixed scouting makes no difference to me. I was in a mixed scouting experience, during 10 years in the military.
     
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    Not BSA. Boy Scouts of America is the US organization (though apparently they have some presence in Japan for some reason).

    Typically, each country has its own Scouting organization and they're all affiliated with the World Organization of the Scout Movement.

    The BSA is at the more conservative (intolerant?) end of the spectrum of national scouting organizations.

    For instance, when I was a Scout in the Toronto area 30 years ago, there were a handful of troops downtown that specifically identified as LGBTQ-welcoming. 10-20 years ago, I heard that most of them had folded for lack of membership for what's probably the best reason possible: pretty much every troop was so LGBTQ-welcoming that LGBTQ Scouts and their parents didn't see the need to do the long drive through downtown traffic every week to go to a troop where the kid would be accepted. They were accepted at the troop right near their home.
     
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    Speaking of moral foundations: excluding gay kids from membership in the BSA violated at least 5 of the 12 points of (the American version of) the Scout Law.

    It seems to me that it's you who's arguing for the moral relativism: "be loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous, and kind... unless it's to a gay person."
     
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    Hypocrisy is part of the human condition and if
    anyone finds in it cause for anger and dismay, they're
    just a fool for expecting better.
     
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    I don't think an organization like the BSA needs to sell out their moral foundations in an effort to be politically correct. What the left should have done is start up their own Gay Scouts of America or something to that effect. But the BSA did sell out. Others won't.
     
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    That's all because those Christians haven't a clue or idea about anything
    All because those Christians follows man's teachings and not the teachings of Christ Jesus.
    As there is no where that Christ Jesus taught any such thing about Jews being wipe out.
    Again it just goes to show just how much those Christians follows man's teachings,
    As there is no where in the Bible thats said Israel will occupy all of the historical territory of Israel
    As I would definitely like to know how that's to happen, Seeing the Muslims have control over the temple mount and will keep control until Christ Jesus returns
     
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    We have the earliest extant manuscripts and documents which shows us the original truths of Jesus Christ and his teachings, and the New Testament. We don't need to rely on translations being rewritten ad nauseum.

    Your description of Christians also ignores God's Holy Spirit who indwells believers and leads them, with their cooperation, into understanding God's objective moral principles.

    And the problem with subjective morality that departs from objective Biblical principles? It's the broad road that leads to destruction at the Judgment.

    "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction" - Matthew 7
     
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    Nuts.

    Love speaks the truth. Those who lead ungodly lifestyles deserve that truth, whether they like it or not. Some will repent (Luke 13:3) and turn to God. Others will be lost.
     
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    And a Muslim Scouts of America, and a Black Scouts of America...... Come on now, get with the times. You either grow as an organization to be more inclusive and representative of the population for which you serve (community), or you don't and eventually get left by the way-side. "Selling out" as you call it, is a wise business decision, by an organization that has always been about being: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, and Reverent.
     
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    Sorry but I don't see that, and just a reminder that both Barach and Hillary are practicing Christians. But leave it to the Washington Times to make a mountain out of a mole-hill, however I will admit that least the paper is good for lining the bottom of a birdcage.
     
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    I suspect there will one day either be an all-out Muslim / Israeli war that Israel will win to where Israel will then build their prophesied Third Temple on the Temple Mount. Or there will be a political settlement / solution where that will happen. Either way, the Third Jewish Temple will be rebuilt on the Temple Mount, fulfilling prophecy (note Matthew 24:15).

    God bless!
     
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