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Featured Is there a war on Christianity in America's Left?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by IndigoChild5559, Apr 28, 2019.

  1. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    Why do you think it's a matter of it "hard?"

    Why do you think it's a matter of need? Why would "Easter worshippers" be more offensive than, say, "Christmas shoppers?"

    We wouldn't?

    I assume your "you" doesn't include the BBC, the Associated Press, or ABC:

    Fake Persecution Scandal Erupts Over Obama's 'Easter Worshippers' Comment About Actual Persecution | RELEVANT Magazine

    I just did a quick Googling - it seems that most stories about deaths on the Hajj use the phrase "Hajj pilgrim," not "Muslim."

    Here's an article about an incident last year doesn't use the words "Muslim" or "Islam" at all. It only ever describes the dead as "Egyptian hajj pilgrims:"

    Death toll of Egyptian Hajj pilgrims rises to 58 - Egypt Independent

    On a scale of 1 to 10, how triggering do you find that article?
     
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  2. The Hammer

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    Firstly, Easter Worshippers isn't necessarily incorrect, as these were a group of people whom we're worshiping on Easter Sunday. And considering I was worshipping on Easter Sunday, and I am not a Christian, that's a moot idea. Also, not everyone at an Easter service is Christian, been to a few with my parents years ago, while on vacation.

    There is no leftist attack on Christianity. And as for being the "most persecuted" religion, it makes sense when ones churches mainly preached hatred and intolerance for so many years, for some of that intolerance to be turned around on the very institution of it's source.

    Once everyone begins to see love and tolerance for all (regardless of our own inherent beliefs), then we may make some strides forward again as a country.
     
  3. 9-10ths_Penguin

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    BTW: I'm not sure if you realized it, but you didn't actually anseer my question:

    Can you explain why you consider "Easter worshippers" to be vapid?
     
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    Freedom of Religion does not cover: Dictating public civil law on religion, using religion as an exemption from civil laws you don't like, using religion to deny others civil rights, or using religion as a shield from criticism.
     
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    Out of curiosity: why do you consider "Easter worshippers" to be a sanitized euphemism?

    Is there some other religion that celebrates Easter that I don't know about?
     
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    I think it's some odd way to avoid outright saying that it was Christians who were killed. Hillary Clinton called last weekend "a holy weekend for many faiths". Correct me if I'm wrong, but the only holy day that was happening last weekend was Western Easter, and Easter is only a Christian holiday; nobody else celebrates it. If non-religious people go to church on Easter, it's only because of family ties or observance of a cultural tradition. Clinton's framing of the attack was bizarre and seemed to obfuscate the fact that it was more than 200 Christians who were killed.
     
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    Interesting. Thanks for the articles.
     
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    So why would you mistake the term "Easter worshippers" for something else besides Christians?

    Also, you might want to Google Passover 2019.

    Tom
     
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    This is a stretch in my view. I fail to see how people can not figure out the term used would apply to Christians in the minds of most people that know what Easter is. Sure it could be a little tone deaf but I do not see anything malice regarding religion. Perhaps politics but that is a different point.
     
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    Why do you think this?

    I would have assumed something else: because of the link between Easter and Passover, there are many Christian-centric people who assume that they generally happen at the same time.

    Sounds like you're going to unreasonable lengths to interpret her words in the worst possible light.

    Making reference to the Christian holiday of Easter doesn't obfuscate the link between Christianity and the attack. Just the opposite, actually: it calls attention to the fact that it was especially heinous because it happened on the most sacred holy day on the Christian calendar.

    Saying "Easter worshippers" instead of "Christians" emphasizes that the attack wasn't only on individual Christians, but was also an attack on the practice of the Christian religion itself.

    ... which is why you, @IndigoChild5559 , and all the other people freaking out about this sound absolutely ridiculous and unreasonable to me.
     
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  11. Kangaroo Feathers

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    Because it grants a veneer of righteousness for pre-existing anti-Islamic sentiment.
     
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    I already posted this, but I'll post it again because I think it ties in with your comment really well;

    What I like to call "armchair" persecution.
    I theorise that since the Bible speaks about how the true believers will find themselves being persecuted, and that such persecution is a sign you're on the right path, it pulls at the conscience of many overweight, under exercised middle class westerners that their lives are somewhat lacking in persecution, and so to cover this seeming gap in their spiritual lives, they'll desperately take anything remotely misconstruable as persecution and wrap it around themselves like a big reassuring blanket.

    ..."unfounded internet rumour that one of the Columbine murderers asked someone if they were a Christian before he killed her? HE WAS PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS! Thank goodness, Christians are being persecuted, I am a Christian, therefore I am being persecuted, QED. I'm so glad I can sleep soundly in my warm queen size bed after eating twice my daily recommended caloric requirement and not feel guilty about the world's poor or starving. What with me being PERSECUTED and all, I must be on the right track. I can't wait for the "war on Christmas" to start up to make me feel even more persecuted and thereby justify my blatant crass consumerism!"
     
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    I share your disgust at the attacks on Christian churches and equally on mosques and synagogues. I also have strong views on religious attacks on non-belief, which were surely the generator of the Four Horsemen and their popularity.

    Toleration and acceptance are the desirable norm. (As usual I add a proviso regarding fundamentalism, which I think is pernicious.)

    I find nothing offensive in 'Easter Worshipers'. It hasn't been and is not my impression that either Obama or Clinton is opposed to religion, simply not owned by it. Having liberal views on such matters is not the same thing as seeking to deny or destroy. And how could such attitudes assist either of them politically?
     
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    How bizarre was Trump's framing of the attack, where he didn't mention "Easter" or "Christians" at all?


    Obama:

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    It appears the only reason we're not hearing what a great "Christian" Trump is for having the "courage" to insert the word "Easter" in his tweet is because the tweets were not reversed. It just seems to me this whole "controversy" is contrived. It's fake news at its ugliest.
     
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    Unfortunately, those you call "woke activists" would be correct in how they see many of the Christian religion.
     
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    Are christians being persecuted and oppressed in third world? Sure.
    Are Christians being persecuted and oppressed in the the western, developed world? Hardly.
     
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    What an absolute storm in a teacup.

    But also, having been to Sri Lanka and knowing many Sri Lankans, it is both normal and common for Buddhist, Hindus and Muslims there to go to church. When some relics of St Anthony or somebody came to Sri Lanka a load of Buddhist monks came to see. Other way round, too!
     
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    "ZOMG! Trump has a war against Christians!!1!!one!"
     
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    Why would "Easter worshippers" be more offensive than, say, "Christmas shoppers?"
     
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    Americans have never cared about Palestinian Christians and they sure didn't care about the 50 Christian churches in Baghdad before Bush's invasion.
     
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