Is there a resource of Athe(ism)?

[Subduction Zone]

I think, there are religions, people learn the religions and they don't agree. Yes?

Your question is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the conversation.

 

[England my lionheart]

Did It ( Atheism) just sprang up or mushroomed in the sixteenth century or so while the natural Religion already existed from centuries before, please?
Since, they criticize and bully religion day in and day out and say the code of the truthful religion/s is man's creation, it should not be difficult for them to invent the "resource" for them, please,

Regards

What is “a natural religion”?,what is actually a natural religion?

We don’t need to invent anything,religion has showed us how well that works.

We had to deal with the bullying of religion for centuries,oppression even,people know more now,we don’t get taken to chop chop square or burnt at the stake anymore for not believing,religion lost its edge.

 

[paarsurrey]

They don't have a resource. They simply disagree. I think.

Haven't they adopted it as a tactic, please?
(The Atheism)" They simply disagree."

They (the Atheism) just sprang up in sixteenth century from nowhere or one may say from an imaginary/magical or unnatural fairyland and or from Philosophy in the West, in counter-reaction to the mythical Pauline-Christianity, anybody could say. Right?
It has got nothing to do with the natural Word, or the natural Work from which Science finally corrects its anomalies, I perceive, please. Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

What is “a natural religion”?,what is actually a natural* religion?

We don’t need to invent anything, religion has showed us how well that works.

We had to deal with the bullying of religion for centuries,oppression even,people know more now,we don’t get taken to chop chop square or burnt at the stake anymore for not believing,religion lost its edge.

" We don’t need to invent anything "

Then why Atheism people couldn't accept the truthful Religion that already existed before the sixteenth century, prior to they decided to unnatural invention of Athe-ism, please? Right?
Does one mean that Atheism was never needed by the humanity, please?

The "natural religion" is simply that existed and exists naturally in the world and its " resource" is not artificially made.
Regards
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* nature (n.)
late 13c., "restorative powers of the body, bodily processes; powers of growth;" from Old French nature "nature, being, principle of life; character, essence," from Latin natura "course of things; natural character, constitution, quality; the universe," literally "birth," from natus "born," past participle of nasci "to be born," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget."
By mid-14c. as "the forces or processes of the material world; that which produces living things and maintains order." From late 14c. as "creation, the universe;" also "heredity, birth, hereditary circumstance; essential qualities, inherent constitution, innate disposition" (as in human nature); also "nature personified, Mother Nature." Nature and nurture have been paired and contrasted since Shakespeare's "Tempest."
The phrase "nature and nurture" is a convenient jingle of words, for it separates under two distinct heads the innumerable elements of which personality is composed. Nature is all that a man brings with himself into the world; nurture is every influence from without that affects him after his birth. [Francis Galton, "English Men of Science: Their Nature and Nurture," 1875]
Specifically as "the material world beyond human civilization or society; an original, wild, undomesticated condition" from 1660s, especially in state of nature "the condition of man before organized society." Nature-worship "religion which deifies the phenomena of physical nature" is by 1840.
Nature should be avoided in such vague expressions as 'a lover of nature,' 'poems about nature.' Unless more specific statements follow, the reader cannot tell whether the poems have to do with natural scenery, rural life, the sunset, the untouched wilderness, or the habits of squirrels. [Strunk & White, "The Elements of Style," 3rd ed., 1979]Man, her last work, who seem'd so fair,Such splendid purpose in his eyes,Who roll'd the psalm to wintry skies,Who built him fanes of fruitless prayer,Who trusted God was love indeedAnd love Creation's final law—Tho' Nature, red in tooth and clawWith ravine, shriek'd against his creed—[Tennyson, from "In Memoriam"]
nature | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[paarsurrey]

Your question is a red herring. It has nothing to do with the conversation.

The conversation is on " resource " of Atheism, they invented an (a new) ism in the domain of Philosophy or an imaginary domain but found it difficult rather impossible to invent a "resource" for an artificial ism , one may say. Right?
They had/have before them " resource" of the truthful religion available freely online in many a languages together with the original text in Arabic; they may read it intently to know as to what is a natural " resource " like, please. Right?
If there was a need of an ( a new) ism, doesn't that establish the need of the " resource " for it also reasonably, please? Right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Clearly no atheist “Bible” is needed. If it were, someone would have written it.

Perhaps some have tried - after all, many books are written, which find no readers.

For this hypothetical Bible of atheist thought to have value, many would have to have read it; it’s literary, philosophical, cultural and a-theological contribution to the rich history of human ideas would be the subject of much debate. Great works of art would be inspired by it; people’s lives would be enriched by it. It would be the subject of multiple translations, re-interpretations, questions as to the nature of it’s authors, their intent and conviction, their cultural bias, their familiarity with the subject matter etc.

But no such book exists, so we can’t discuss it. Perhaps, eventually, a group of atheists will produce a compendium of diverse literature as wise as Ecclesiastes, as full of poetic imagery as the Psalms, as revolutionary as the Gospels, as full of bewildering, hallucinatory vision as Revelation. But as yet, this hasn’t happened.

"Clearly no atheist “Bible” is needed. If it were, someone would have written it.
Perhaps some have tried - after all, many books are written, which find no readers. "

Then, why did they need a new ism to start with, please? Right?
Doesn't the need of a new ism establish the need of a new " resource", please? Right?
It is OK, if the earlier people belonging to this ism thought it impossible to make Bible/"Resource" for themselves, but now there seem to be many an intelligent friends of this ism even very much here writing in this thread, please. Right?
Is it impossible for them, please? Right?

Regards

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I don't think so, please. Right?

Regard

Lots of resources, of varying quality.
No actual dogma, as much as some (both athiest and theist) may suggest differently.

It's kinda the same as talking about humour, or live, or the colour green. Lots of information, no dogma.

 

[Spirit of Light]

"Clearly no atheist “Bible” is needed. If it were, someone would have written it.
Perhaps some have tried - after all, many books are written, which find no readers. "

Then, why did they need a new ism to start with, please? Right?
Doesn't the need of a new ism establish the need of a new " resource", please? Right?
It is OK, if the earlier people belonging to this ism thought it impossible to make Bible/"Resource" for themselves, but now there seem to be many an intelligent friends of this ism even very much here writing in this thread, please. Right?
Is it impossible for them, please? Right?

Regards

Atheism or A-theism if you like means no theism. No theism means the word Atheism only is a form of explaining that for them, there is no true theism to be followed.

 

[England my lionheart]

" We don’t need to invent anything "

Then why Atheism people couldn't accept the truthful Religion that already existed before the sixteenth century, prior to they decided to unnatural invention of Athe-ism, please? Right?
Does one mean that Atheism was never needed by the humanity, please?

The "natural religion" is simply that existed and exists naturally in the world and its " resource" is not artificially made.
Regards
__________________
* nature (n.)
late 13c., "restorative powers of the body, bodily processes; powers of growth;" from Old French nature "nature, being, principle of life; character, essence," from Latin natura "course of things; natural character, constitution, quality; the universe," literally "birth," from natus "born," past participle of nasci "to be born," from PIE root *gene- "give birth, beget."
By mid-14c. as "the forces or processes of the material world; that which produces living things and maintains order." From late 14c. as "creation, the universe;" also "heredity, birth, hereditary circumstance; essential qualities, inherent constitution, innate disposition" (as in human nature); also "nature personified, Mother Nature." Nature and nurture have been paired and contrasted since Shakespeare's "Tempest."
The phrase "nature and nurture" is a convenient jingle of words, for it separates under two distinct heads the innumerable elements of which personality is composed. Nature is all that a man brings with himself into the world; nurture is every influence from without that affects him after his birth. [Francis Galton, "English Men of Science: Their Nature and Nurture," 1875]
Specifically as "the material world beyond human civilization or society; an original, wild, undomesticated condition" from 1660s, especially in state of nature "the condition of man before organized society." Nature-worship "religion which deifies the phenomena of physical nature" is by 1840.
Nature should be avoided in such vague expressions as 'a lover of nature,' 'poems about nature.' Unless more specific statements follow, the reader cannot tell whether the poems have to do with natural scenery, rural life, the sunset, the untouched wilderness, or the habits of squirrels. [Strunk & White, "The Elements of Style," 3rd ed., 1979]Man, her last work, who seem'd so fair,Such splendid purpose in his eyes,Who roll'd the psalm to wintry skies,Who built him fanes of fruitless prayer,Who trusted God was love indeedAnd love Creation's final law—Tho' Nature, red in tooth and clawWith ravine, shriek'd against his creed—[Tennyson, from "In Memoriam"]
nature | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

The only “natural religion” I can think of is paganism because nature is a big part of some,I can’t think of one truthful religion at all.

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheism or A-theism if you like means no theism. No theism means the word Atheism only is a form of explaining that for them, there is no true theism to be followed.

atheism (n.)

"the doctrine that there is no God;" "disbelief in any regularity in the universe to which man must conform himself under penalties" [J.R. Seeley, "Natural Religion," 1882], 1580s, from French athéisme (16c.), with -ism + Greek atheos "without a god, denying the gods," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts). A slightly earlier form is represented by atheonism (1530s) which is perhaps from Italian atheo "atheist." The ancient Greek noun was atheotes "ungodliness."

In late 19c. sometimes further distinguished into secondary senses "The denial of theism, that is, of the doctrine that the great first cause is a supreme, intelligent, righteous person" [Century Dictionary, 1897] and "practical indifference to and disregard of God, godlessness."

In the first sense above given, atheism is to be discriminated from pantheism, which denies the personality of God, and from agnosticism, which denies the possibility of positive knowledge concerning him. In the second sense, atheism includes both pantheism and agnosticism. [Century Dictionary]

atheism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

Kindly correct oneself, if one may, please. Right?

Regards

 

[Revoltingest]

( Atheism) just sprang up or mushroomed in the sixteenth century or so while the natural Religion already existed from centuries before, please?

What on Earth is a "natural Religion"?
We're all born without any religion, & must be trained
to believe in a particular one, eg, Christianity, Islam, LDS,
Hinduism, Ute, Scientology, Buddhism, Judaism, Navajo.
I was never trained, & when I first heard of belief in God,
I found it ridiculous to believe in this all powerful & all
knowing invisible man in the sky.

Since, they criticize and bully religion day in and day out and say the code of the truthful religion/s is man's creation, it should not be difficult for them to invent the "resource" for them, please,

About us being bullying....
Ask @Shadow Wolf what it was like being raised Christian.
And I'm old enuf to remember when the government required
Christian prayers in public schools. We non-Christians were
expected to fete their god...but we never required them to
deny their God. So I think Christians win the Bully Award.

 

[Spirit of Light]

atheism (n.)

"the doctrine that there is no God;" "disbelief in any regularity in the universe to which man must conform himself under penalties" [J.R. Seeley, "Natural Religion," 1882], 1580s, from French athéisme (16c.), with -ism + Greek atheos "without a god, denying the gods," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts). A slightly earlier form is represented by atheonism (1530s) which is perhaps from Italian atheo "atheist." The ancient Greek noun was atheotes "ungodliness."

In late 19c. sometimes further distinguished into secondary senses "The denial of theism, that is, of the doctrine that the great first cause is a supreme, intelligent, righteous person" [Century Dictionary, 1897] and "practical indifference to and disregard of God, godlessness."

In the first sense above given, atheism is to be discriminated from pantheism, which denies the personality of God, and from agnosticism, which denies the possibility of positive knowledge concerning him. In the second sense, atheism includes both pantheism and agnosticism. [Century Dictionary]

atheism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

Kindly correct oneself, if one may, please. Right?

Regards

Personally I understand it differently

 

[paarsurrey]

The only “natural religion” I can think of is paganism because nature is a big part of some,I can’t think of one truthful religion at all.

Kindly remain focus on the " resource" of Atheism, please. Right?
Also one may quote from the consensus "resource" of paganism for "natural religion" for "claim" and "reason" from the time it came into existence, please. Right?

Regards
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paganism (n.)
"religious beliefs and practices of pagans," early 15c., paganisme, from Church Latin paganismus, from paganus (see pagan). Alternative paganity is from 1540s; pagandom is from 1739.
paganism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

 

[Valjean]

What Method did one use to get to Athei(ism), please? Right?
Did one try the famous Scientific Method to find the truth in it, please? Right?

Regards

Logic and reason.
Atheism isn't necessarily something you "get to." It's something you're born with. Religion is something you get to.
Religion is learned. Atheism is the default.

Resources: Home

 

[Mock Turtle]

atheism (n.)

"the doctrine that there is no God;" "disbelief in any regularity in the universe to which man must conform himself under penalties" [J.R. Seeley, "Natural Religion," 1882], 1580s, from French athéisme (16c.), with -ism + Greek atheos "without a god, denying the gods," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts). A slightly earlier form is represented by atheonism (1530s) which is perhaps from Italian atheo "atheist." The ancient Greek noun was atheotes "ungodliness."

In late 19c. sometimes further distinguished into secondary senses "The denial of theism, that is, of the doctrine that the great first cause is a supreme, intelligent, righteous person" [Century Dictionary, 1897] and "practical indifference to and disregard of God, godlessness."

In the first sense above given, atheism is to be discriminated from pantheism, which denies the personality of God, and from agnosticism, which denies the possibility of positive knowledge concerning him. In the second sense, atheism includes both pantheism and agnosticism. [Century Dictionary]

atheism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

Kindly correct oneself, if one may, please. Right?

Regards

Well, to start with, if one has an open mind - that is not allied to any previous indoctrination or education (which might produce a religious belief, for example) - then it is quite possible that many would not see any God or gods operating in their lives, or in the lives of others, and no where else, and if one was so inclined, they might also look towards religions - the various examples of their gods and beliefs (often differing) - as to this being as natural as it is to invent such - given the spectrum of such beliefs and the apparent need to fill such a spectrum. And perhaps atheism hence becomes a natural reaction to what many see as to such - a rejection of all this.

PS I fortunately didn't have any particularly negative aspects from religion or any indoctrination/education, apart from what one gets via schooling, but perhaps I was too thick to appreciate that this was for my benefit - but such is what we are given.

 

[England my lionheart]

Kindly remain focus on the " resource" of Atheism, please. Right?
Also one may quote from the consensus "resource" of paganism for "natural religion" for "claim" and "reason" from the time it came into existence, please. Right?

Regards
_____________
paganism (n.)
"religious beliefs and practices of pagans," early 15c., paganisme, from Church Latin paganismus, from paganus (see pagan). Alternative paganity is from 1540s; pagandom is from 1739.
paganism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

Ok,there isn’t a resource for atheism apart from ones own self.

 

[Revoltingest]

atheism (n.)

"the doctrine that there is no God;" "disbelief in any regularity in the universe to which man must conform himself under penalties" [J.R. Seeley, "Natural Religion," 1882], 1580s, from French athéisme (16c.), with -ism + Greek atheos "without a god, denying the gods," from a- "without" (see a- (3)) + theos "a god" (from PIE root *dhes-, forming words for religious concepts). A slightly earlier form is represented by atheonism (1530s) which is perhaps from Italian atheo "atheist." The ancient Greek noun was atheotes "ungodliness."

In late 19c. sometimes further distinguished into secondary senses "The denial of theism, that is, of the doctrine that the great first cause is a supreme, intelligent, righteous person" [Century Dictionary, 1897] and "practical indifference to and disregard of God, godlessness."

In the first sense above given, atheism is to be discriminated from pantheism, which denies the personality of God, and from agnosticism, which denies the possibility of positive knowledge concerning him. In the second sense, atheism includes both pantheism and agnosticism. [Century Dictionary]

atheism | Search Online Etymology Dictionary

Kindly correct oneself, if one may, please. Right?

Regards

English evolves. Historical definitions aren't always in current
use. Today, atheism means disbelief in gods, which can range
from denial of their existence (strong atheism) to non-belief
(weak atheism).
A modern reference...
Definition of atheism | Dictionary.com

BTW, I never needed a resource for atheism.
Non-belief is that simple, unlike religions.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Ask @Shadow Wolf what it was like being raised Christian.

I remember being taught in Church the world is out to get Christians, persecution of Christians is rampant, society as a whole is hostile towards Christianity, and it's just generally not well tolerated.
I learned very quick they were actually referring to themselves, as after I left the Church was when I first knew anything of religious persecution and bigotry when it turned out those warning about intolerance and bigotry are the intolerant bigots.

 

[Valjean]

Ok,there isn’t a resource for atheism apart from ones own self.

There are atheist organizations like the one I linked to above. Post #114. Click on "About us."

Atheism:
What is Atheism?

Like many words, atheism has different meanings in different contexts. In any serious discussion involving it, a technical definition is assumed.

 

[England my lionheart]

There are atheist organizations like the one I linked to above. Post #114. Click on "About us."

Atheism:
What is Atheism?

Like many words, atheism has different meanings in different contexts. In any serious discussion involving it, a technical definition is assumed.

Im just trying to get it accross in the simplest of terms but good link.