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Featured Is Theology Science?

Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by questfortruth, Feb 10, 2018.

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  1. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    1) write 100 times on the blackboard "God of Theism exists." By this way you get the energy and momentum to go through the proof of God:

    A) God is omniscient, so He is the perfect specialist to ask His opinion. His opinion is always true and right.
    B) Ask Him, does He exist or not. He will certainly answer "Yes, the God of Theism is existent." Proof ends.

    In short: The All-Knowing knows everything, and that the Omniscient exists. Therefore the Omniscient exists. Now, if this proof is not true, then it is not true to the All-Knowing. And if so, the Omniscient exists. "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil" John 8: 43,44.

    For those who do not understand: The All-knowing (if it turns out that such exists) knows everything, knows that the Omniscient exists. Hence, among all knowledge there is knowledge about the existence of the All-Knowing. Therefore the Omniscient really does exist.
     
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  2. Sapiens

    Sapiens Polymathematician

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    Proof is not a proof, it is sophomoric assumptions disguised as a circular argument.
     
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  3. questfortruth

    questfortruth Active Member

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    Don't troll, say particular mistakes.
     
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    Is theology science? Nope. Not at least in the same sense as physics, chemistry, biology, etc are sciences.
     
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    It's a good proof. But I have simpler proof. God is just a word. What the word means is defined by its usage. That is ALL god is. God only exists in our use of language.

    God is different than every other word in our language in the following sense. God represents every possible idea that can be thought of and also every possible reality that can be experienced. God is the one word that represents them all. So in our effort to imagine infinity, or nothingness, we experience God in our minds.

    So what does it all mean? It's all good.
     
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    Back in ye olde days it was considered the queen of sciences. Before you were even allowed to study theology at university, you had to learn 'lesser' subjects like logic, natural philosophy and the works of the ancient Greeks (especially Aristotle).

    Times have changed though, as have the sciences. So, no.
     
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    A false God can pretty much say what ever you need them to say to support your faith.
     
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    Particular mistake ... responding to your circular argument. Particular solution ... ignore list.
     
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  9. questfortruth

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    In short: The All-Knowing knows everything, and that the Omniscient exists. Therefore the Omniscient exists. Now, if this proof is not true, then it is not true to the All-Knowing. And if so, the Omniscient exists. "Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. Ye are of your father the devil" John 8: 43,44.
     
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    Uh... Huh. That's not even a proper circular argument.
     
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  11. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Correct, it a more basic "this so this"

    No evidence, no observation.
     
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    Definitely not science
     
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    The worst argument that I have heard in a while. It is simple a poorly worded assertion.

    I believe in God, and theology is not remotely science.
     
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    In A, He is the perfect specialist *if He exists*. In B, He can answer only if He exists.

    You are assuming your conclusion.

    No, theology is not a science: it is never testable.
     
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  15. It Aint Necessarily So

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    It depends what's meant by theology.

    Science requires something objective to examine - something apprehensible to the naked or assisted senses.

    One can study the religions, their histories, their belief sets, etc.. by examining their holy books, relevant historical documents, and other physical manifestations of religion.

    Academic studies in comparative religion, the Bible as literature, the history of Buddhism, etc.. - the result of such inquiry - are scientific as long as they continue to consider an aspect of reality dispassionately by examining its discernible elements. It's just history or archeology.

    If one calls that theology, then yes, there is a scientific aspect to at least some of it.

    What I generally mean by theology is the works of believers that have assumed the existence of a god, such as the writings of Augustine or Luther, or the musings of the medieval scholastic philosophers, who famously once considered how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. This is the consideration of the nature of gods rather than religions, and is certainly not science, which requires skepticism and empiricism at every juncture.

    Once faith enters the picture, it is no longer science, nor an academic subject.
     
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  16. WalterTrull

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    Actually, I prefer: "Is science theology?" (I wonder if I'll ever get the hang of punctuation when using quotes.)
     
  17. questfortruth

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    Please do not modify my proof, you are corrupting it.
     
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    Our definition of science constantly changes. If we allow the definition to be " what ever our world view is at the a moment, is projected onto nature." that has not changed in the least. That process of capturing reality in spells, this spells binder thats now digital is rather facinating topic to me.
     
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    No. Just pointing out the logical error. You assume your conclusion. Where is the corruption?
     
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  20. osgart

    osgart Nothing my eye, Something for sure

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    Theology relies on reason as evidence more than evidence providing reason imo.

    My religion is virtue. In my virtuology I study the causes and effects, and standards of virtue, and try to determine the truest measure of virtue.
     
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