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Is the universe conscious of itself...
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Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
It's a nice idea, but I think it's more likely we're just a product of the universe.
I was just reading a thing that talked about The All of mysticism. It stated that all philosophies, including materialism, boil down to belief in an all, whether it is spiritual or material. All is all, meaning that nothing is not The All. Creation cannot be separate from it from a spiritual perspective, and the !mystical cannot be separate from it from a materialistic perspective. The All did could not divide itself, create outside itself, or make something separate from itself. Long story short, we are it's thoughts/dreams.
Eyasha
Member
Something I just read.....
For billions and billions of years, the universe was here and no one knew about it. More to the point, for all that time, the universe itself had no idea that it existed. But then, around 13.82 billion years after the Big Bang, and almost four billion years since life first evolved, something strange began to happen: Tiny parts of the universe became conscious, and came to know something about themselves and the universe of which they are a part. Eventually, some of these tiny parts of the universe - the parts we call ‘scientists' and ‘scientifically-informed laypeople' - came to understand the Big Bang and the evolutionary process through which they had come to exist. After an eternity of unconsciousness, the universe now had some glimmering awareness that it existed and some understanding of where it had come from. This might sound like a strange thing for a universe to do, but perhaps it's not; perhaps many possible universes would become conscious of themselves given sufficient time.
For billions and billions of years, the universe was here and no one knew about it. More to the point, for all that time, the universe itself had no idea that it existed. But then, around 13.82 billion years after the Big Bang, and almost four billion years since life first evolved, something strange began to happen: Tiny parts of the universe became conscious, and came to know something about themselves and the universe of which they are a part. Eventually, some of these tiny parts of the universe - the parts we call ‘scientists' and ‘scientifically-informed laypeople' - came to understand the Big Bang and the evolutionary process through which they had come to exist. After an eternity of unconsciousness, the universe now had some glimmering awareness that it existed and some understanding of where it had come from. This might sound like a strange thing for a universe to do, but perhaps it's not; perhaps many possible universes would become conscious of themselves given sufficient time.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
We are conscious, and we cannot be separated from the universe. That is, we are the conscious part of the universe. So yes, we are the universe experiencing itself.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
I would even say we are purposely created to appear to intellectually supersede the universe to allow the universe to experience itself as something other than universe.
It's a reasonable assumption/projection from our limited data that there are trillions of places in the universe where life could have and most likely did evolve, so apparently from just a few billion years after the BB. I'm receptive to the idea that humans and the other life on earth are only among the more recent to achieve this level of technological sentience--that we are by no means the first nor only examples of small biological beings that are aware of their being a part of the universe.
Guitar's Cry
Disciple of Pan
I like that! Not sure I would go that far, but I will say that the universe wouldn't exist without the conscious side of itself.
Do you believe that a definitive yet informed answer - something that rises above pure speculation - is possible?
Eyasha
Member
OK. But I'm curious about how an answer that does not rise above the level of pure speculation could challenge your beliefs.Of coarse not,
But I like to discuss my beleifs and have them challenged
As for the initial question: I see no reason to think so.
Eyasha
Member
When we fully digest that the mind is the activity of an evolved brain, it radically transforms our view of the mind's place in the universe - and our view of the universe itself.
chinu
chinu
(Universe) Space, Dust, Water, Air and Temperature -to- Botanic. Botanic to Insects and Fishes. Fishes and Insects -to- Birds and Animals. Animals -to- Less-conscious-Humans beings. Less-conscious-Humans-beings -to- More-conscious-Human-beings, and so on.. The whole universe is always on its way towards becoming conscious of itself.
The last stage of universe before being conscious of itself is.. Human Beings.
In other words.. Universe becomes conscious of itself through.. Human Beings
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Ask any rock.
Eyasha
Member
Yes I believe our consciousness is not simply consciousness of the universe; our consciousness is a part of the universe, and thus the universe itself is partially conscious. When you contemplate the universe, part of the universe becomes conscious of itself.
And what is your view of each?
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
That all sounds rather anthropocentric.
Eyasha
Member
What do you think of the idea of human beings just been one of many forms of existence for universal consciousness?(Universe) Space, Dust, Water, Air and Temperature -to- Botanic, Botanic to Insects and Fishes, Fishes and Insects -to- Birds and Animals, and so on.. The whole universe is always on its way towards becoming conscious of itself.
The last stage of universe before being conscious of itself is.. Human Beings.
In other words.. Universe becomes conscious of itself through.. Human Beings
Have you heard of Arcturians?
I'm just starting to become aware of other forms of existence "alians" who seem far more advanced and enlightened then our species