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Featured Is The Universe Alive?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Salty Booger, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue The gentle embrace of twilight has become my guide

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    Maybe, but life is multilayered, sandwiched between Infinite layers of life/lifeless scales and deminsions.

    As an example, if you shrunk yourself down to the size of an atom, would you say after an exhausting search at that level, one could conclude that the atomic realm itself is lifeless?
     
  2. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Have you looked? Several known exoplanets are candidates for life, unfortunately we do not (yet) have the equipment to investigate properly. And the universe is big, very big. We have so far found thousands of exoplanets in around the 1% volume of our own galaxy. There is much more than 1% of our own galaxy to investigate.

    If the only life in the universe exists on a small, insignificant planet on the edge of the western spiral arm of our galaxy then the universe is an awful waste of space.



    That we know of, you cannot make definitive statements about what is unknown
     
  3. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Life would have to be defined very broadly to consider the universe as alive. Certainly most of it is growing, expanding, but it appears to be majority inorganic elements with some molecules thrown in.
     
  4. exchemist

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    Do you live in your house? Is your house alive?
     
  5. Polymath257

    Polymath257 Think & Care
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    Life is a complex collection of chemical reactions. none of the individual molecules is alive. Life is the way they interact.

    So, life arises from non-life by the accumulation of the right chemicals that then interact.

    Nobody knows the details of how that happened, but we know much more than we did 50 years ago.
     
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    If by alive, you mean active, dynamic, and evolving, then yes.

    If you mean a sentient organism, then no. To claim that everything is equally alive would really confuse our value systems. We need to value life more than non-life. Otherwise, we could claim that a dead person is no different from a living person.
     
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    Let's go through a number of the criteria that are used to decide if something is alive:

    1. Does it grow? Yes, the universe is expanding.

    2. Does it reproduce? No, the universe does not reproduce itself.

    3. Does it maintain internal state (homeostasis)? No, the universe is cooling as it expands as would be expected from thermodynamics.

    4. Does it move? It isn't even clear what it would mean for the universe as a whole to move.

    5. Does it have a metabolism (ingesting things for nourishment and using the components to build itself)? No, the universe is not ingesting anything from outside of it as far as we can tell.

    6. Does it respond to stimuli? Again, no, there are no external stimuli for the universe to respond to.

    So, for this list, there is one answer consistent with being alive and the rest are not.

    Conclusion: the universe is not alive.
     
  8. Salty Booger

    Salty Booger Royal Crown Cola (RC)

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    Why must it be defined broadly when it is standing right there where you are? You are the whole package. You came from one source, the Universe. I don't understand why people are struggling with this. It is very easy to grasp.
     
  9. ChristineM

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    Several of the parameters used to define life are missing, to say the universe is alive means omitting those parameters.

    The marble floor i am standing on also came from the source, is that alive?
     
  10. Salty Booger

    Salty Booger Royal Crown Cola (RC)

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    I don't know. If it isn't, should we omit the fact that you are alive?
     
  11. ChristineM

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    Why, i meet all the criteria for life, our floor doesn't
     
  12. Salty Booger

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    Are you not a creation of the Universe, just like your marble floor?
     
  13. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    I repeat, i meet the criteria for life

    And i am a product of my mom and dad
     
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    Okay, you came from your Dad and Mom. I won't argue the point with you. :)
     
  15. ChristineM

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    There is no point to argue.
     
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  17. Salty Booger

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    Peekaboo!
     
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    Have you considered universe as a part of Multiverse? Then things like reproduction are possible.
     
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    Potentially. But homeostasis and the other properties are still not present.
     
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    What about constants and conversation of energy/mass?
    You said the universe is cooling. So what? Living beings are also aging and dying.
     
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