Is the Tanakh for everyone?

[TheKnight]

It seems to me that you are the one missing the point. One can be honest WITHOUT being rude.

For instance, instead of labeling some people as being "dead-weight", you could say "IMO they are evading their responsibilities as citizens". The message is given without being rude.

If one is evading one's responsibilities and making oneself into a burden then it isn't rude to describe such a person as dead-weight, only accurate.

Levite typically makes his claims carefully and in a non-exclusive manner, suggesting that he doesn't have a personal stake in the matter.

It appears to me that you're taking his assessment of the state of the Jewish world and seeing it as a personal attack on some group to which you belong. From the outside, it would seem Levite is simply voicing his blunt opinion in terms best suited for communicating his ideas.

Of course, were all idiots on the far left (Pot, kettle).

You do realize that he didn't say that the far left were all idiots?

You're taking what he actually said, and understanding it as something he didn't.

 

[Levite]

If one is evading one's responsibilities and making oneself into a burden then it isn't rude to describe such a person as dead-weight, only accurate.

Levite typically makes his claims carefully and in a non-exclusive manner, suggesting that he doesn't have a personal stake in the matter.

It appears to me that you're taking his assessment of the state of the Jewish world and seeing it as a personal attack on some group to which you belong. From the outside, it would seem Levite is simply voicing his blunt opinion in terms best suited for communicating his ideas.

You do realize that he didn't say that the far left were all idiots?

You're taking what he actually said, and understanding it as something he didn't.

Thank you very much.

I don't plan on saying anything further in regard to this. I just don't see any point in continuing to engage.

 

[Avi1001]

I also have no interest in continuing this inane discussion, Good Knight.

If one is evading one's responsibilities and making oneself into a burden then it isn't rude to describe such a person as dead-weight, only accurate.

Levite typically makes his claims carefully and in a non-exclusive manner, suggesting that he doesn't have a personal stake in the matter.

It appears to me that you're taking his assessment of the state of the Jewish world and seeing it as a personal attack on some group to which you belong. From the outside, it would seem Levite is simply voicing his blunt opinion in terms best suited for communicating his ideas.



You do realize that he didn't say that the far left were all idiots?

You're taking what he actually said, and understanding it as something he didn't.

 

[CMike]

It seems to me that you are the one missing the point. One can be honest WITHOUT being rude.

For instance, instead of labeling some people as being "dead-weight", you could say "IMO they are evading their responsibilities as citizens". The message is given without being rude.

Another example...

Conservative rabbis are a blight on Judaism.

Another way to put it.

I disagree with how some conservative rabbis speak about other jews.

 

[CMike]

Good for you, Akivah. Sometimes you have to stand up against your Rabbi when he is wrong ! You have gained my respect !

I doubt he's his rabbi.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Both religiously and socially, the far left is a mess of appalling ignorance of Jewish text and tradition, apathy about nearly every kind of Jewish practice and observance, and indifference to the preservation of Jewish identity; the far right is a mess of oppressive sexism, homophobia, tolerance of corruption and perversion amongst authority figures, and rigid quashing of flexible thought. The middle, such as it is, doesn't appear able to sort its a** from its elbows without tripping twice over its own feet.

We're not even being a light unto ourselves right now, let alone unto anyone else.

Perhaps colorfully overstated but, given the context, to condemn it as 'rude' strikes me as more than a little silly.

 

[CMike]

I do feel that charedi should be drafted into the military.

They should participate in defending the country.

Some of the greatest jews were fighters, i.e. Joshua, King David, Gideon, Deborah, Yael, etc.

 

[dantech]

I do feel that charedi should be drafted into the military.

They should participate in defending the country.

Some of the greatest jews were fighters, i.e. Joshua, King David, Gideon, Deborah, Yael, etc.

You forgot Moses. He raised his arms for so long, they had to hold them up for him

 

[CMike]

You forgot Moses. He raised his arms for so long, they had to hold them up for him :

The gravity thing.

 

[Akivah]

Another example...

Conservative rabbis are a blight on Judaism.

Another way to put it.

I disagree with how some conservative rabbis speak about other jews.

Exactly!

 

[Akivah]

I do feel that charedi should be drafted into the military.

They should participate in defending the country.

Some of the greatest jews were fighters, i.e. Joshua, King David, Gideon, Deborah, Yael, etc.

This is better than the rude thing, everyone got their say.

Yes, I agree that every able bodied Israeli citizen should defend their country. There are numerous biblical examples of righteous people doing their duty. I disagree that certain professions should be exempt from military service.

 

[Avi1001]

I doubt he's his rabbi.

Akivah is Conservative, so Levite is his on-line Rabbi !

Rabbio is reform, so he is my on-line Rabbi.

Tumah is your on-line Rabbi, CMike

 

[Tumah]

Both RabbiO and Levite are actual Rabbis of their respective denominations. I am still a student and am not in Rabbinical training.

 

[CMike]

Just because someone may be a rabbi doesn't mean he is *my* rabbi, whether online or not online.

Also, what a "rabbi' actually means can vary greatly.

 

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