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Is the supposed holder of the key of David getting ready to fall?

2ndpillar

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Is the current pope, supposedly the holder of the key of David (Isaiah 22:22) getting ready to "fall" (Is 22:25) and have all his followers, those "hanging" on to him, all be "cut off" (Is 22:25)? The Vatican's former representative cardinal to the U.S., along with other U.S. cardinals are apparently asking the pope to resign because of his support of a cardinal pedophile, which was in contradiction to his saying he would have zero tolerance for pedophiles. It seems there is a whole cabal of Vatican cardinals supporting this particular pedophile cardinal, especial after the previous pope had condemned the actions of the pedophile.
Catholic leaders call on Pope Francis to resign - YouTube This Vatican representative in his interview also linked Biden, Clinton, and the Democratic party. This might possibly explain how Epstein was able to be killed in prison. He probably knew too much about the higher level of pedophiles.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Extremist right wing Catholic "leaders" do not like Pope Francis because he's exemplifying the spirit of Saint Francis of Assisi and the Sermon on the Mount.

These so called "leaders" ignore that preferring to reject the spirit of love that Christians should aspire to.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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This might possibly explain how Epstein was able to be killed in prison. He probably knew too much about the higher level of pedophiles.
Mr. Epstein was an embarrassment to Mr Trump among others like Bill Clinton, however he was also an embarrassment to himself. When he felt the full brunt of public outcry and censure and was thrown into jail something happened. Either he killed himself, or a cop did or a guard or a fellow prisoner. Its not enough to demonstrate an insidious cabal.

Also a cabal is not necessary to explain pedophilia. Pedophilia is difficult to stop because its natural as is rape and as is violence. We're putting a stop to it, because its not good. Natural however it is. it is endemic and in the human genome, something that appears on its own.

Now suppose you can convince every legislator that its not natural, not endemic and that it comes from a cabal. How does that help resolve the problem? How does a cabal even explain why humans have this tendency?
 

2ndpillar

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Mr. Epstein was an embarrassment to Mr Trump among others like Bill Clinton, however he was also an embarrassment to himself. When he felt the full brunt of public outcry and censure and was thrown into jail something happened. Either he killed himself, or a cop did or a guard or a fellow prisoner. Its not enough to demonstrate an insidious cabal.

Also a cabal is not necessary to explain pedophilia. Pedophilia is difficult to stop because its natural as is rape and as is violence. We're putting a stop to it, because its not good. Natural however it is. it is endemic and in the human genome, something that appears on its own.

Now suppose you can convince every legislator that its not natural, not endemic and that it comes from a cabal. How does that help resolve the problem? How does a cabal even explain why humans have this tendency?

The two guards at Epstein's jail who went to sleep on duty, were tested for drugs, and were found to have laughing gas in their blood. A third guard is thought to be the main source of all the cameras being shut down and then allowing for some one to get into the jail. As for Epstein, there is now a legal case in the courts which supposedly has proof that Epstein worked for 10 foreign intelligent services which used Epstein's rape videos to blackmail leading citizens. One of the names on Epstein's plane manifest was "John Roberts". A current court case filing suggests that the two children John Roberts adopted, came from Epstein, who trafficked in children. Black mail would been a method of getting Roberts to vote for Obamacare, which would answer a lot of answered questions.

As for a cabal necessary to explain pedophilia, it isn't. It is only necessary to plant the seeds in seminary school and to keep it quiet. Rape, violence and murder isn't natural behavior. It is psychotic behavior. Apparently some of the court allegations about Epstein was that he kept videos which included snuff videos, whereas the elites were forced to rape children and then kill them. This would later be used for blackmail. It seems strange, but John Roberts, who had problems with Scalia over the Obama care vote, apparently had communications which was asking who would replace Scalia. The communication occurred two days before Scalia died at a camp in Texas with ties to Satanist, the same kind of people with ties to Epstein. Also included in the cabal, was former vice president Pence, who vetted all new appointees for the White House, for which many wound up to be deep swamp members.

As for the term cabal, the Vatican mafia was the word used by the cardinal who represented the Vatican to the U.S.. I see them as having the same meaning. These cabal exist in the dark, but as with termites, they quickly die under the light.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I have a suspicion the ancient verses are not geared toward the addressing of a modern day pope.

The timing for the one following Shebna/Peter (Isaiah 22:15-25) , who was but in charge of the royal household (Church) was "in that day", which corresponds to the "day of the Lord" (Matthew 24:30) which corresponds to the end of the age, the great tribulation Matthew 24, which corresponds to today, when the prophecy of Daniel 2:45 will be complete, whereas all the metals and clay of Daniel 2 will be crushed together, which has happened except for Iran/Persia, which is aching to get crushed by Israel bringing fire from heaven onto Elam (Iranian nuclear site) (Jeremiah 49:34-39) in the "last days", resulting in radiation sickness to the nations which come against Jerusalem 14:12, when the "Lord will come forth to fight against those nations", would be the pope. With Iran being a comrade of China, the world can look forward to some rough times whereas "the lord of hosts" will wind up ruling from Jerusalem (Zechariah 14:16-17). If you read what Yeshua said in Matthew 5:17, he says he came to fulfill the prophets, of which Isaiah was a major prophet. Yeshua appointed Peter, as foretold in Isaiah 22 & Zechariah 11, and indirectly in Hosea 3.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Extremist right wing Catholic "leaders" do not like Pope Francis because he's exemplifying the spirit of Saint Francis of Assisi and the Sermon on the Mount.

These so called "leaders" ignore that preferring to reject the spirit of love that Christians should aspire to.

Pedophilia, rape and murder are not in the "spirit of love", no matter what the progressives preach. I think the sermon on the mount preaches against divorce except for adultery, yet the Catholic church goes around that teaching and sells annulments for cash. I think Assisi maybe talked to birds, but when the current pope tried to talk to demons, and cast out demons, they laughed at him. No the socialism of the current pope, who has probably never missed a meal in his life, leads to death and destruction. If you want socialism, go to Cuba, or Venezuela. You don't need the government to give other people's money to the poor, just go out and sell what you have and give it to the poor.
 

Brian2

Veteran Member
Is the current pope, supposedly the holder of the key of David (Isaiah 22:22) getting ready to "fall" (Is 22:25) and have all his followers, those "hanging" on to him, all be "cut off" (Is 22:25)? The Vatican's former representative cardinal to the U.S., along with other U.S. cardinals are apparently asking the pope to resign because of his support of a cardinal pedophile, which was in contradiction to his saying he would have zero tolerance for pedophiles. It seems there is a whole cabal of Vatican cardinals supporting this particular pedophile cardinal, especial after the previous pope had condemned the actions of the pedophile.
Catholic leaders call on Pope Francis to resign - YouTube This Vatican representative in his interview also linked Biden, Clinton, and the Democratic party. This might possibly explain how Epstein was able to be killed in prison. He probably knew too much about the higher level of pedophiles.

Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

The above keys are probably what you are meaning.
If you are referring to Cardinal George Pell, he was convicted of child sexual abuse and his conviction was overturned after he served some time in prison.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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As for a cabal necessary to explain pedophilia, it isn't. It is only necessary to plant the seeds in seminary school and to keep it quiet. Rape, violence and murder isn't natural behavior. It is psychotic behavior...
I call it 'Unspiritual' behavior and living death.

These cabal exist in the dark, but as with termites, they quickly die under the light.
I wish they didn't constantly appear everywhere, but they do. The police know, but children and the genpop don't usually. Throughout history gangs have trafficked children. There's always a market and always someone willing to sell. This has happened in all colors of humans, under all kinds of systems of government. Is it better to know or not to know? Its hard to decide, because ignorance helps to curb curiosity which is desire disguised. Becoming curious about something is how you discover your desire and taste for violence, and that is an insidious evil in humans which we try not to tell our children about in modern western culture. Its how we do things or have done.

In a way we treat it like the fruit of the knowledge of good & evil and like Paul speaks of the law in Romans 7. If you don't know about it then the evil within you can't act upon it. On the other hand if you don't know about it then you aren't prepared to oppose it.

In a way its also like the story in CS Lewis Perelandra. An earthman (who already knows evil ways) named 'Ransom' has to travel to an innocent planet called 'Perelandra' to oppose and to keep Satan from corrupting its Adam and its Eve. This is how we have tried to stop this kind of evil..by isolating it and keeping people from knowing what is within themselves.

Has it worked?
 

2ndpillar

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I call it 'Unspiritual' behavior and living death.

I wish they didn't constantly appear everywhere, but they do. The police know, but children and the genpop don't usually. Throughout history gangs have trafficked children. There's always a market and always someone willing to sell. This has happened in all colors of humans, under all kinds of systems of government. Is it better to know or not to know? Its hard to decide, because ignorance helps to curb curiosity which is desire disguised. Becoming curious about something is how you discover your desire and taste for violence, and that is an insidious evil in humans which we try not to tell our children about in modern western culture. Its how we do things or have done.

In a way we treat it like the fruit of the knowledge of good & evil and like Paul speaks of the law in Romans 7. If you don't know about it then the evil within you can't act upon it. On the other hand if you don't know about it then you aren't prepared to oppose it.

In a way its also like the story in CS Lewis Perelandra. An earthman (who already knows evil ways) named 'Ransom' has to travel to an innocent planet called 'Perelandra' to oppose and to keep Satan from corrupting its Adam and its Eve. This is how we have tried to stop this kind of evil..by isolating it and keeping people from knowing what is within themselves.

Has it worked?

According to the author of Luke, Yeshua said that, In the end, what is hidden will be exposed. According to PM news, the pope has been asked to resign over the handling of the pedophile. I would say what was hidden under a rock has now been exposed. Apparently Epstein has been exposed. Eddy Hastart was exposed. Bill Clinton's trip to pedophile island was exposed. Will it help? Apparently it didn't help Epstein. I doubt if it will help the pope. With the look on Hillary's face, I don't think it helped her husband Bill. Hastart, the Senate majority leader of course lost his job. Has it worked? It hasn't not worked. As for your internal corruption, the solution would be to repent, be baptized in the Spirit of God, and produce good works (Matthew 3) If that happened, you would be unable to sin (1 John 3:6-9). Until then, I guess we will have to rely on the police.
Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com)
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Matt 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

The above keys are probably what you are meaning.
If you are referring to Cardinal George Pell, he was convicted of child sexual abuse and his conviction was overturned after he served some time in prison.

The pedophile was cardinal Theodore McCarrick who was adjudged by the former pope .

Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com)

The rock the church is built on (Matthew 16:16-19) is "flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father who is in heaven". The Spirit of God, the helper, the anointing is the Petra (foundation rock), that the church is built on, not Peter (Petros/small stone). Peter is represented by Shebna of Isaiah 22:15 who was to be put in charge of the royal household, and who tried to carve a place for himself in the rock, but who was cast into a foreign country (Rome, Italy), and who will be desposed. (Isaiah 22:15-20), and whose heir, Eliakim, representing the pope, will also be given the "key of the house of David", and "in that day", will "fall", and those hanging on to him will be cut off.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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It really does a disservice to legitimate criticism of the Catholic Church for covering up sexual abuse when it's mixed in with this conspiratorial silliness about Pizzagate or QAnon or whatever else.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
It really does a disservice to legitimate criticism of the Catholic Church for covering up sexual abuse when it's mixed in with this conspiratorial silliness about Pizzagate or QAnon or whatever else.

What is "Pizzagate" and QAnon or whatever else. McCarrick was defrocked for sinning with minors by the previous pope. Where is the conspiracy, except that McCarrick had the backing of the present pope and Vatican cardinals to reappear on stage.
Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com)
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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What is "Pizzagate" and QAnon or whatever else. McCarrick was defrocked for sinning with minors by the previous pope. Where is the conspiracy, except that McCarrick had the backing of the present pope and Vatican cardinals to reappear on stage.
Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com)

This is the conspiracy:

This Vatican representative in his interview also linked Biden, Clinton, and the Democratic party. This might possibly explain how Epstein was able to be killed in prison. He probably knew too much about the higher level of pedophiles.
 

Brickjectivity

wind and rain touch not this brain
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what is hidden will be exposed
Brothels operate decade upon decade in the shadows and are not exposed. Illegal, terrible, unethical trafficking goes on and is endemic in humanity. I think that we don't deserve to exist as a species unless we can tackle this eventually, and its only possible eventually not immediately. Many things have been tried. It is an ongoing problem to get people to be reasonable, to put away these practices.

I would say what was hidden under a rock has now been exposed.
Maybe a very small rock has been turned over, but not all of the rocks nor the mountains. Human trafficking has gone on for centuries and in most places. Gangs keep it going. It is...a human problem and continual. You stop one gang and another pops up, and they share secrets with each other about how to control humans.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
This is the conspiracy:

How can something be a conspiracy when it is true. The evidence clearly shows Epstein was killed in prison, and the Vatican pedophile was linked to the Clinton and the democratic party. The Epstein guards did not choose to come under the influence of laughing gas on their own volition. The linking of the democratic party to the Vatican pedophile is public information: Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com) The fact that 100 people close to the Clintons died mysteriously is not a conspiracy theory. The fact that popes on the wrong side of the Vatican cabals die mysteriously is not fiction.
The Mysterious Death Of Pope John Paul I (allthatsinteresting.com)
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
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How can something be a conspiracy when it is true. The evidence clearly shows Epstein was killed in prison, and the Vatican pedophile was linked to the Clinton and the democratic party.

Linked how?

The Epstein guards did not choose to come under the influence of laughing gas on their own volition.

What laughing gas?

The linking of the democratic party to the Vatican pedophile is public information: Archbishop who asked Pope Francis to resign speaks from hiding - P.M. News (pmnewsnigeria.com)

Nothing in that article says anything about the Democratic Party. Vigano is a homophobic ultra-conservative whose baseless allegations mean squat, frankly. The notion that the Clintons and other Democrats are running a covert child sex trafficking ring is well-known conspiracy theory.

The fact that 100 people close to the Clintons died mysteriously is not a conspiracy theory.

:facepalm: Yes, yes it is.

The fact that popes on the wrong side of the Vatican cabals die mysteriously is not fiction.
The Mysterious Death Of Pope John Paul I (allthatsinteresting.com)

Yes...yes it is. Your own source contradicts you.

"However, before the report was released conspiracy theories started swirling."
 
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