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Is the name Jehovah another name for Jesus?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by ThisShouldMakeSense, May 12, 2005.

  1. ThisShouldMakeSense

    ThisShouldMakeSense Active Member

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  2. jewscout

    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    YHVH is G-d...Jehovah was a "translation" that came about as early as the 11th or 12th century and as late as the 16th
     
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    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    No. it is not.
     
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    jewscout Religious Zionist

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    you're right Deut...translation was a poor choice in words...probably should have said "mispronunciation" or something to that effect...they took vowels from one word and stuck it in the YHVH so they could pronounce it...sorry
     
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    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    Well, I know I'm in the minority here, but my opinion is that Jesus Christ of the New Testament is the same person as Jehovah of the Old Testament (and that neither of them is God "the Father"). Here, in case anybody cares to look them all up, are a number of scripture references that, in my opinion, support my belief:

    He is “I AM”:

    Old Testament – Exodus 3:14 New Testament – John 8:58



    He is our Savior:

    Old Testament – Isaiah 43:11 New Testament – 1 John 4:14



    He is our Redeemer:

    Old Testament – Psalm 19:14 New Testament – Titus 2:13-14



    It was He who was pierced:

    Old Testament – Zechariah 12:10 New Testament – Revelation 1:7



    He is the First and the Last:

    Old Testament – Isaiah 48:12 New Testament – Revelation 22:13



    He is the Creator:

    Old Testament – Genesis 2:4 New Testament – Colossians 1:16



    He saves us from death:

    Old Testament – Hosea 13:14 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 15:22



    He will be our judge:

    Old Testament – 1 Chronicles 16:33 New Testament – John 5:22



    He is our shepherd:

    Old Testament – Psalms 23:1 New Testament – John 10:14



    He is the Lord of Lords:

    Old Testament – Deuteronomy 10:17 New Testament – Revelation 17:14



    Every knee shall bow unto Him:

    Old Testament – Isaiah 45:23 New Testament – Philippians 2:10-11



    We are to call upon His name:

    Old Testament – Psalms 116:17 New Testament – Romans 10:13



    He is our Rock: Old Testament – Psalms 62:2 New Testament – 1 Corinthians 10:4



    He is the Holy One:

    Old Testament – Habakkuk 1:12 New Testament – Luke 4:34



    We shall not tempt Him:

    Old Testament – Deuteronomy 6:16 New Testament – Matthew 4:7



    He laid the earth’s foundation:

    Old Testament – Psalms 102:25 New Testament – Hebrews 1:10



    It is He who receives our spirits:

    Old Testament – Psalms 31:5 New Testament – Acts 7:59
     
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    Actually, I was responding to the opening question, not your response. :)
     
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    oh..............well................................don't i feel like a horses patoot
     
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    I wouldn't know. How doess one feel?
     
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    i think i'll stop now before we get OT again....:jiggy:
     
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    I didn't know LDS believed Jehovah was "Jesus," but not God the Father? So is LDS believing in a trinity at all?

    According to my tradition, Jehovah is Satan, the Evil principle. God the Father is the Transcendant, the Good principle. Jesus is the Father's messenger into this world to purchase mankind from Jehovah's laws.

    Jehovah is the Creator of this material universe and created mankind from the earth. God the Father exists in a separate universe, which is completely spiritual without imperfection.

    Jehovah is the author of the Torah, the New Testament, and the Quran. God the Father is the author of a different Gospel.
     
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    No, Michael is another name for Jesus.
     
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    Yes ,the Scriptures point to the resurrected Jesus Christ as the chief of all angels—Michael the archangel

     
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    I always wondered, if this is true, why the different names?

    Why didn't Jesus let anyone know he was Michael the archangel?

    Thanks for the info.
    Scott
     
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    because it wasnt untill he went back to heaven after his resurrectionthat he was known as michael
     
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    I've always wanted to know;

    Why do people call Yeshua by a Spanish name? Jesus (Hey-zeus).

    And no, they aren't one and the same, especially if you believe in the trinity - if they were it would by a duality, i guess ;).
     
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    Hi, Silvanus.

    I know absolutely nothing about the Paulician tradition. If it's not too far off topic for me to ask, could you bring me up to speed on what this is? I'm assuming it somehow ties into the Apostle Paul. Am I right?

    Anyway, to answer your question, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe in a Godhead comprised of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. These could best be described as three distinct personages who are "one" in mind, will and purpose. Their unity as "God" is perfect and complete, but they are not part of any kind of metaphysical substance or essence (as described in the Nicene and Athanasian Creeds). When we speak of God the Father by name, we refer to Him as Elohim. Most of the time, however, we just call Him "God" or our "Heavenly Father." We believe, as I said before, that Jesus Christ was known in His pre-mortal existance as "Jehovah." We believe that, like the Father, He is "God." We occasionally speak of Him as "God", but more often as "Jesus" (in the context of the New Testament) and "Jehovah" (in the context of the Old Testament).

    Kathryn
     
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    Hi, Carrdero.

    I disagree. I believe that Michael was the pre-mortal Adam.

    Kathryn
     
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    These beliefs are all very interesting -- but how did you come by them? How do you support them?

    Evidence, please.
     
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    Seyorni, this information for this belief I found from my past studies of the Bible. Michael is mentioned 5 times in the Bible. In fact the name Michael means "Who is like God" and the Bible says it is one of the chief princes of God and was with God before Jesus incarnated in earth. Like you mentioned it is just a belief, there is no way that I can PROVE this but I do find Katzpur's rendition of Michael interesting as well. I have never heard that before and I look forward to how she came to this belief.
     
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    From what I understand,the name "Jehovah" was never used by the Israelites (and linguistic scholars say that the word itself isn't even pronouncable in that language) and is the result of a mistake.
    The original text was written without vowels, as was common. Between the 6-10thC CE a group of Scribes know as the Masoretes added a system of vowel points. Their version of the Scriptures is know as the Masoretic Text.
    YHWH (I am that I am) also known as the Tetragrammaton, was not to be spoken. Thus, when read aloud, they would substitute the word “Adonay,” or “Lord.” The Masoretes included the vowels from this name to produce a symbol that looked like this: YaHoWaH.
    Christian scholars then mistakenly put it all together, to form "YaHoWah". Anyone who has read about the history of the alphabet knows how letters like "Y", "J", "I" , "W", "V", etc were mutated in Europe, filtered through Germany and France, and into English. Thus, the name became Jehovah.

    It was not used in the original text. It was not used by Israelites as a name for either God or Jesus. It was not used in the New Testament, or by early Christians.
     
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