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Is the Messiah to Bring Peace or Tribulation?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. mistoftime

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    Belief in religion has caused wars that is for certain, and other unpleasant occurrences. Religious extremists use their religious books like the Bible and Qur'an to prop up their hatefulness.
     
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    The Bible is corrupted and is a major cause of leading people astray.
     
  3. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Football hooligans use their extremist support to prop up hatefulness...

    People with any form of tribalism, and having a strong belief about something, will then fight to defend it.

    It is like we should stop teaching patriotism at schools, just so they grow up to join the military, and defend their country; as it is then propagating the fundamental beliefs in the first place, to continue fighting.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  4. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The Bible is specifically corrupted by the Source, it tells us this in the Tanakh, that the corruption will come, and what...

    It is that people don't listen to the words of the prophets, and thus they follow the corruption without question.

    Basically God is Lord of the Living, and the Pharisees have misrepresented Yeshua's teachings to be a death cult (John, Paul, and Simon).

    In my opinion.
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  5. Dan Mellis

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    For me, you'd have to first address the issue of if any messiah exists - then tackle the issue of if they'd ever return. Then we can look at the likely impact of that return.
     
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    Football hooliganism is also thuggery, it just doesn't have the veil that religion does.
     
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  7. wizanda

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    We can show that based on what is prophesied it has come to pass, and we can historically show the data, plus the results...

    The idea that John, Paul, and Simon are all prophesied deceptions that Christians follow, proves it is real, and people are not wise enough to see.
    Since we can show tons of prophetic fulfillment, the odds of the end points happening is very likely.

    Considering I've got the new name of Christ, don't think we're even on the same page.
    The impact is that Armageddon is soon, and after we keep the Godly.

    In my opinion.
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  9. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    We can edit posts for about a day or two... btw.
    Jews being sent from nation to nation under a Curse Deuteronomy 28, Leviticus 26, happened as expected...

    The 2nd temple destruction where they eat each others flesh, happened in history (Zechariah 11).

    The idea that a fake global religion was prophesied (Zechariah 5, Habakkuk 2, etc), where it corrupts the Law and prophets has happened as expected, and is followed globally; even tho it is a IQ morality test.
    Like you've got a lot of prearranged arguments; that don't actually work with what I've already told you...

    I've literally been sent from Heaven, can explain it in quantum physics, the idea you're on lets argue with a religious person isn't the case.

    To prove the divine without the Bible, we'd go to Near Death Experiences, children with memories of it, etc, and then we'd correlate all the data scientifically.

    In my opinion.
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    Jews, maybe. Mass displacement isn't exactly uncommon in history. All the Jews? There's no proof. Even if that were the case - how is this proof of divine inspiration? Feels like I'm making the same argument repeatedly the same argument

    Maybe, but I doubt that it definitely happened the way its described. And even if it did that still doesnt prove divine inspiration

    Which fake religion? I'd argue that all religions are probably fake. Yours too. Before making bald assertions about others religons, perhaps you should reexamine your own position. I think you'll find (if you were honest and objective) that you have exactly the same amount of supporting evidence as any other religion. And that your geographical location probably dictates your belief. If you were raised in Afghanistan, you probably wouldnt be christian.

    Thats true, I do have a lot of prearranged arguments. Because the points made by theists are invariably variations on the same points. Simply saying 'your argument doesn't work' isnt enough - please explain why (you havent yet)

    I doubt you're qualified enough to understand quantum physics and are about to quote someone else who wasn't. I'm certainly not, so couldn't comment on whatever argument you have lined up there. Again, even if you have a degree in quantum mechanics, you'd have to prove heaven exists as its described in your book before that would even be relevant.

    Personal experience isn't scientific data on its own. Theres no way of testing its veracity. Lots of people say they've seen aliens - do you believe in abductions too? Also, lets consider the sources. People who've had a traumatic experience and children. Hardly the most reliable. Simply adding the word "scientifically" onto a sentence doesn't make it scientific.
     
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    There we disagree - the One True God has not corrupted anything. And most of the so-called prophets are not prophets of the One True God, but of the creator god, the god of the Bible, who is the real Satan. The One True God is Lord of our souls/spirits, which is what/who we truly are, not the lord of created material things like the bodies we currently inhabit.
     
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    The God Most High (El Elyon) is like a CPU that manifests reality at a quantum level, everything comes from it.

    YHVH Elohim meaning the Archangel who is Lord of Creation (Havah) or even Lord of Desires (Avah), isn't evil, it is legalistic.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Jewish diaspora - Wikipedia
    Moses prophesied the events over a thousand years before it happened.
    Christianity by definition contradicts Christ, the Tanakh, and religion globally.
    Having studied many of the world's religions, and having no label, my position is that of understanding the whole; whereas you are dismissing multiple religions without any understanding.
    Since my theological understanding was before reading any books, and what I've known since birth is explained in religious books globally; your argument comes from naivety, as you've not studied the religions to know if they're correct.

    With enough study we could show how something outside of time inspired these texts, and yet when someone isn't interested in even questioning, whilst simply trying to dismiss everything, there is no way to get them out of a box they've created.
    Using the scientific method & peer reviewed studies do.
    Multiple personal experiences is how we create objective evidence, if enough people say the same thing, this then can be collected, and reviewed to come to the best hypothesis, this is called the scientific method.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
     
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    There is no evidence any god exists, the Biblical god is just one of many created by humans, imo.
     
  16. wizanda

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    Reality is mathematical, the periodic table is a matrix where everything around us is mathematically equatable, the Fibonacci sequence is interwoven into the fabric of reality, the physics is all maths; it is logical to expect something similar to a CPU manifesting reality... it is insane to think it is random.
    It is the same Source in all the religious texts, with varying understandings of theological constructs.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Isaiah's Suffering Servant - usbible.com
    Isaiah's Suffering Servant
    The Suffering Servant was Israel. The passage equates Israel with a former contemporary of Isaiah, King Uzziah, who was disfigured, suffered and died of leprosy.

    From there he believed Israel would one day redeem itself and become a leader among nations. It was a failed prophecy.
     
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    Firstly contextually this is the wrong thread, and the ideas you're presenting stand categorically against what is being discussed.
    This statement is wrong in so many ways, firstly you're calling something that has clearly been fulfilled in precise detail as failed.

    This is like somebody calling Einstein stupid, as they don't understand algebra, and proceed to say the maths is all wrong.

    No prophet or messenger would dream to say something so faulty; Israel never redeems its self, only God does that, when they turn back to God.

    Israel means 'those who reign with God', and is a Messianic Age expectation, where only the Godly will remain in the world...

    So it isn't failed, it is the Abrahamic expectations; the idea you're standing against it, and have Christian as a label, makes no sense contextually either.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Not objective evidence, no. But neither is there objective evidence that a god doesn't exist.
     
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