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Is the Messiah to Bring Peace or Tribulation?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Nov 22, 2018.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    The flee to the mountains happened at the 2nd temple destruction, where they've literally ate each other flesh...

    Where is there a Rapture?

    In my opinion.
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    The Flea ????

    There is NO rapture doctrine.. People who were expecting to see Jesus were afraid their dead relatives would miss out.. That was misunderstood about "rapture".

    The tribulation was terrible, but local. God was punishing the Jews for crucifying Jesus. He wasn't punishing the whole world.
     
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    Sorry girl, but the great tribulation is yet to come. It is the war to end all wars, when the Lord will destroy all those nations who would attempt to drive his chosen people into the sea, the Great tribulation, which, if not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive.

    And the rapture does not occur until after the thousand year rule of Christ, when, at the sound of the Last trumpet, heavenly fire incinerates the surface of this planet and no physical life forms will survive. But as Paul says; "We shall not all fall asleep in death, but at the sound of the last trumpet, we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter into glorious bodies of incorruptible bodies of brilliant and blinding light.

    Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

    Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors." Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."

    To see the man Jesus, who they pierced, is to see the Lord of whom Enoch was the cornerstone.

    Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?"

    The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies.

    I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."

    See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle (The kingdom of God is within you) which temporary tabernacle is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

    The African tectonic plate in its northern migration, grinds against the Arabian plate in a line that runs up through the Red Sea and along the Jordon valley beneath the Mount of Olives.

    Zechariah 14: 3-4; Then the Lord will go out and fight for his people as he has fought in times past. At that time, he will stand on the Mount of Olives, to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

    Could the violent activity around the earth at this time, be the trigger that will cause the super volcano beneath Yellow stone to erupt, enveloping the planet in a cloud of debris? And that day shall be neither day nor night, but a perpetual twilight.

    Zechariah 14: 13; Then the Lord will throw those nations that surround Jerusalem, into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing. Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice for a thousand years, and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

    Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their Synagogues, Mosques, and Cathedrals of stone, marble, or crystal, who prostate themselves on the floors or who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship THE God of the Bible, the Most High in the creation, ‘The Son of Man’ who evolves from the body of mankind.

    It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more humble Race of men will people this earth.

    "Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

    The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

    "The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

    If you believe that this happened in 70 A.D., then it proves beyond all doubt that you do not have the mental capacity to comprehend anything that you read.7
     
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    Matthew 24:15-20, Mark 13:14-18, Luke 21:20-24, is the same as Zechariah 11's explanation of the 2nd temple destruction, and then the Diaspora at its end...

    Where the Curse of Moses (Deuteronomy 28-32) was placed upon our people, which clearly has a time of persecution, being sent throughout the nations i.e. 'the time of the Gentiles'...

    Then after Zechariah 12 is where all nations come against Israel (WW3 - Armageddon), which is where the end of Matthew 24:21-50, Mark 13:19-37, Luke 21:25-36 takes place, thus it is all an account of Israel's history to come.

    When all nations come against Israel soon (Joel 3:2, Zechariah 12:3, Isaiah 29:7, Revelation 20:9, Isaiah 13:4, Ezekiel 32:18, Ezekiel 39:11, Zephaniah 2:1-2, etc); God the Source of our reality, then steps in to recreate reality, as they destroy life.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    All nations in the region fought on the side of Titus.. They were part of the Roman Empire.

    Large numbers of auxiliary troops were also present, drawn from many parts of the Empire, but with significant Egyptian,Syrian and Arabian contingents - the contemporary writer Josephus estimated the total force at over 60,000, not counting servants, carters, muleteers and camel herders.
     
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    The eastern legions, which attacked and destroyed Jerusalem, were made up almost entirely of Syrians, Egyptians, and other Middle Eastern peoples, not Europeans.

    By 70 AD, Italians made up only around 20% of all Roman soldiers; only 1% by the end of the first century.
     
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    That is only Matthew 24:15-20, Mark 13:14-18, Luke 21:20-24...

    The end point has to happen later, due to there being 'the time of the Gentiles'; prophecy indicates a time of destruction, and to just remove it, is not dealing with the text, it is applying a historical timeline without the prophetic contexts.
    God made the Jews crucify Yeshua (Salvation); Judas is the same word for Judah, and Judah paid 30 pieces of silver like in Zechariah 11...

    The Jews were meant to do that to prove who is hypocritical in the world, and who doesn't read additional contexts.

    If you read prophecy properly, then God soon comes to remove the Ravenous, who would deem it acceptable to wash & drink the Messiah's blood.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    The prophesy was for 42 months so it was right on time ..

    Are you opposed to Communion?

    ALL the nations did join the Roman army in the destruction of Jerusalem. Troops from Egypt, Syria and some Arabs and Turks fought with Titus.

    If God made the Jews demand crucifixion, why destroy Jerusalem and the Temple?

    Some Jews sided with Rome against the zealots …

    Like this one.

    A Judean Queen’s Romance with the Roman Emperor Who …

    https://mosaicmagazine.com/picks/2019/03/a-judean-queens-romance...

    When [Berenice] saw the havoc the Roman soldiers were wreaking in Jerusalem [in the period leading up to the Judean Revolt], she sent her retainers to plead with the Roman procurator Florus, [to whose authority the Herodian monarchs were ultimately subject], asking him to ease up.
     
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    The Bible is opposed to it, it is the defiled covenant of Ezekiel 4, and those who drink the blood are held accountable for first degree murder in Revelation 16:6.
    Because the Leaders rejected the Lord (Jeremiah 25:34-38, Zechariah 11:3-6), thus the whole flock was slaughtered because of them.

    Now for example our leaders want to destroy the human race in WW3, and still people allow them to have the power.

    Thus people have to recognize in Ezekiel 34, the Lord removes the fake leaders, and replaces them with the Messiah, who is an ELohim rather than an ELite.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Go back and read Post #23 and get yourself a little education, the Great Tribulation still awaits us.
     
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    Futurism has taken over your thinking.
     
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    According to Josephus The troops that fought under Titus were Arabs, Syrians and Egyptians... ALL were Gentiles.
     
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    The eastern legions, which attacked and destroyed Jerusalem, were made up almost entirely of Syrians, Egyptians, and other Middle Eastern peoples, not Europeans.

    By 70 AD, Italians made up only around 20% of all Roman soldiers; only 1% by the end of the first century.
     
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    Was the Mt of Olives split in two in your supposed fulfilment of the prophecy of the Great tribulation?

    Did the Jews win the Great war?

    After your supposed fulfilment of the prophecy of the Great Tribulation, did the Lord take his throne in Jerusalem?

    And did the leaders of the nations who survived that war to end all wars, go up to Jerusalem each year to pay tribute and worship the Lord Almighty as king and celebrate the festival of shelters, etc?
     
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    You are an adult and you still think the Kingdom of God is an earthly kingdom? Really? You discount every word Jesus reportedly said.
     
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    You don't know what the Lord said through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, and you refuse to believe anything that is recorded in the scriptures.

    But YES! The Kingdom of God is within. It is the spiritual dimension that co-exists within our three dimensional world. And no unrepentant sinner will ever enter into the spiritual dimension within.

    When Gabriel, the Angel of the Greeks goes to war with the angel of Persia in the spiritual dimension, the nation of Greece goes to war against the nation of Persia, in our three dimensional world. But is it the war between the two nations of Greece and Persia, which causes the two angels to do battle, or is it the battle between the two angels, that causes the two nations to go to war against each other, and is the time frame the same in both dimensions?

    But that is another discussion and much too deep for someone who lacks the ability to comprehend anything that they read

    But I do believe in the words of the prophets, which includes the prophet Jesus, who all point to the thousand year rule of Christ ON THIS EARTH. The Great Sabbath of one thousand years, the day of the Lord, [The Seventh Day] which Paul states is the future reality, of which the weekly Sabbath was only but a shadow. .

    Acts 17: 31; For He, [The Lord] has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with Justice, by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

    And he, [Jesus] will sit upon the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation, until the Lord has forced every knee to bow before him, which they will do, after the war to end all wars, when he shall sit upon the throne of the Most High in Jerusalem..







     
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    Since I'm the archangel sent before the Great Tribulation with the New Name of Christ, trying to warn people to prevent it, and instead we get people argue about history, when they don't even understand the basics of the prophecies fulfilled historically. :confused:

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    So the Tanakh clearly states the Messiah doesn't bring peace, he brings the destruction of Israel for their wickedness, and this has been badly translated on purpose. :eek:

    Anointed Brings Destruction

    Isaiah 54:16 “Behold, I have created the blacksmith who fans the coals into flame, and forges a weapon for his work; and I have created 'our anointed' (the destroyer) to destroy.

    Ezekiel 5:16 when I send on them the evil arrows of famine that are 'for our anointed' (for destruction), which I will send to destroy you. I will increase the famine on you, and will break your staff of bread.

    Jeremiah 2:30 “I have struck your children in vain. They received no correction. Your own sword has devoured your prophets, like 'our anointed' (destroying) lion.

    Jeremiah 4:7 A lion has gone up from his thicket, 'and our anointer' (and a destroyer) of nations is on his way. He has gone out from his place, to make your land desolate, that your cities be laid waste, without inhabitants.

    Jeremiah 22:7 I will prepare 'our anointed' (destroyers) against you, everyone with his weapons, and they will cut down your choice cedars, and cast them into the fire.


    God will destroy those lying to humanity about the Messiah

    Jeremiah 5:26 interconnects with Isaiah 29:20-21, that our people have misled the gentiles using the Messiah to catch people in a snare, and they don't even realize they are held guilty for doing so.

    Malachi 1:14 “But the deceiver is cursed, who has in his flock a male, and vows, and sacrifices to the Master 'an anointed' (a defective thing); for I am a great King,” says Yahweh of Armies, “and my name is awesome among the nations.”

    Jeremiah 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men. They watch as fowlers lie in wait, setting the 'Anointed' as a trap to catch men.

    Isaiah 29:20-21 For the ruthless is brought to nothing, and the scoffer ceases, and all those who are alert to do evil are cut off (21) who cause a person to be indicted by a word, and lay a snare for the arbiter in the gate, and who deprive the innocent of justice with false testimony.

    In my opinion.
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    Numbers is about destroying the Canaanites 800 years before the Maccabean Revolt or the Jewish wars.
     
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