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Is the mask an adoption of Asian culture?

Discussion in 'General Debates' started by Cooky, Aug 6, 2020.

  1. Cooky

    Cooky 100% Ideology free

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    I remember even prior to COVID, I saw a culture that existed of Asian decent, that included wearing white cotton gloves while driving (to avoid the discomfort of heat on the hands), using tinted face Sheilds while driving (to protect the complexion), and even face mask use in public (to protect from germs). Now since the pandemic began in China, is it possible that we have witnessed the first reaction and then simply borrowed from Chinese culture and used those methods as the gold standard without questioning that those methods may have stemmed from a previously existing cultural phenomena of style?
     
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  2. SigurdReginson

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    Nope. Masks have a long tradition in American society; we just forgot about it.

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    When was that picture from?
     
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  4. Cooky

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    The sign on the third guy seems threatening and intimidating.

    ...There must be something to wearing masks. Something psychological, where a certain result comes from the notion of wearing them. It's some kind of force.
     
  5. SigurdReginson

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    It was threatening because it was happening during a pandemic that killed scores of people, worse than even this pandemic. Look up Spanish Flu.

    My rights end where your nose begins. If I shoot my gun in the woods, big deal. If I start shooting it at people, there's going to be a problem. Same thing with this flu. I have the right to not wear a mask away from others, but once I'm out walking the streets or am in a store, I could be a non symptomatic carrieir that got someone killed. We only need to wear masks until a vaccine is distributed. Just like the spanish flu, once it passes, we won't need to wear masks anymore.
     
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  6. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
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    Some history:

    Mikulicz, head of the surgery department of the University of Breslau (now Wroclaw, Poland) started working with the local bacteriologist Carl Flügge, who had shown experimentally that respiratory droplets carried culturable bacteria. In response to these findings, Mikulicz started to wear a face mask in 1897, which he described as “a piece of gauze tied by two strings to the cap, and sweeping across the face so as to cover the nose and mouth and beard”. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31207-1/fulltext
     
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  7. Cooky

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    The psychology of the mask is divisionary by it's very nature.
     
  8. SigurdReginson

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    It doesn't have to be. I work in a hspital and everyone has to wear a mask. No one has a problem with it. If a strong leader rises up and takes this on like the battle it is, and leads the charge, there would be no issue. Instead we have flip flopping and a limp wristed response to a cut and dry issue. Save lives. Wear a mask.
     
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  9. Cooky

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    I notice you wear a mask, and seem to want others to do the same. Surely you see this involves a lot of convincing. This convincing is the psychology of the mask. IMO.

    But remember, I am not advocating, I am observing and discussing ideas only.
     
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    True. I personally wear a mask, and advise my wife and children to do the same. But when I see someone not wearing a mask in public, I think nothing of it and carry on.

    I certainly wouldn't want them jailed like some of those during the Spanish flu days.
     
  11. Father Heathen

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    Enough with this kooky spooky B.S. :facepalm:
     
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  12. SigurdReginson

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    I get yah. :) Ultimately, mandatory use of the mask is to be avoided, but it may become necessary. It had to happen in the past during the spanish flu, as that picture I posted shows.

    I've compared this to 9/11 before, but when that happened, the president united the entire nation against a common foe. During ww2, our leadership got the public to spend their money on war bonds; their own hard earned cash. We've done it in the past. We can band together now. This is this president's war time moment; he just needs to take up the mantle and lead.
     
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    You don't like the topic?
     
  14. Father Heathen

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    Common sense hygienic practices are not part of some diabolical Illuminati scheme to take over the world. The topic doesn't deserve consideration.
     
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    I don't think that's true.

    It's the morality behind wearing them. Some of us recognize that the masks save lives, although probably not our own. The science on that is well established. So we wear them, despite being uncomfortable.

    Some of us don't care what happens to others as long as we get our way. That's the anti-mask contingent. They don't much care how much damage they do as long as they're comfortable.

    That's the division. Moral people and immoral people.
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    Being recklessly irresponsible with the lives of others is the problem. Jail on the first offense? No. A warning. Second offense? A fine. Third offense? House arrest.
     
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    There were anti-maskers during the Spanish Flu as well. Even had a political party in San Francisco.
     
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    Question: Since the seasonal flu kills tens of thousands of Americans every year (over 80,000 in the 2017-18 season), then masks should have been mandatory in all public spaces every flu season in the history of the world, correct?
     
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    But you get the point, right? That the U.V. sheilds and the white cotton gloves are a little bit of overkill for most people's perspective?

    Maybe wearing a mask while jogging solo in the woods is too, or wearing a mask while driving alone with the windows up.
     
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    That's a pedantic point, I feel. Covid isn't the flu. We have vaccines to fight the flu right now, we have nothing for Covid ATM besides masks and social distancing. Those are our safety measures for now. After we have a vaccine, we can take more relaxed approach. No one wants to wear masks or social distance forever; this is just a temporary fix until the perminant solution comes about.

    Ultimately, if states like mine hadn't social distanced or wore masks so early on in the spreading of the virus, the death toll would be much more than it is now (look at Spain and Itally and adjust those numbers to reflect the size of our country); and our numbers are already astronomical as they are. Could be much worse.

    Now, after this is all over, I think it would be good to educate folks on how wearing a mask could help them from getting others sick if they are feeling ill. That would be good for sure. But like I said, no one wants to be forced to wear a mask indeffinitely.
     
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