Is The Left Of Politics Fractured?

[Salty Booger]

If the Left side of politics is fractured, in your opinion, who do you blame? The most vocal and most active around here has been these characters.

Perhaps you believe it is a whole. From my perspective it is terribly confusing, so much so that their own candidates don't know how to manage their own constituents.

Your thoughts?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I think Pelosi isn't the best for the country necessarily. She's okay as just a representative, but she has big shoes to fill in her current position.

 

[crossfire]

If you mean "democrats" when you say "the left," you will be mistaken. Democrats are not "the left." They are only slightly less fascist than the republicans on social issues.

 

[Salty Booger]

I think Pelosi isn't the best for the country necessarily. She's okay as just a representative, but she has big shoes to fill in her current position.

Old school and way beyond her prime.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

I do like Chuck Schumer when he works on his own though. He seems smart and knows how to play hardball.

 

[Salty Booger]

They are only slightly less fascist than the republicans on social issues.

How so?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

How so?

Well what we call the left in America is, if you consider a more objective scale factoring in the politics of other countries... What we call the left in America isn't far left objectively. It's right leaning. While what we call the right is far right.

 

[Salty Booger]

While what we call the right is far right.

Please explain. Who are these people in the streets?

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I suspect they are actually divided on identity politics. For one side of the left wishes to demarcate, while the other wishes to homogenize. Perhaps this might be framed as an 'equity vs. equality' debate, are identity groups owed things or are we trying to make things amorphously relative

A division exists on who is actually on the left, within the left. I may agree with many left wing issues, but I will not say that those to my right are incapable of being worked with. I do not post memes or one liners , since I think issues are complex and nuanced. In other words, I am not dogmatic, though I do have strong views that I explain with Reason. Reason is supposed to be the tool to win others to your side, if that is your goal, and not the rage that fuels tearing down statues etc. Therefore , those on the far left with say that I am on the right. To me, this is highly offensive actually. I would claim that they are to me right, for they do not possess the quality of open - mindedness, which I consider a progressive quality

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

Please explain. Who are these people in the streets?

I'm not sure about Antifa. My best guess is that in the US, they'd be considered "radical left", while on a global scale, they'd just be considered "left".

 

[Salty Booger]

they'd be considered "radical left"

That's my definition, too. What defines someone who is "Far Right"?

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

That's my definition, too. What defines someone who is "Far Right"?

I think in both America and on the global scale, Trump and co are pretty much far right.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I'm not sure about Antifa. My best guess is that in the US, they'd be considered "radical left", while on a global scale, they'd just be considered "left".

I would radically consider them to be on my right, because they don't use Reason to argue for their points, but rather choose to argue with aggravation. The use of Reason is what all other views ought to orbit round, in my opinion

 

[Salty Booger]

I think in both America and on the global scale, Trump and co are pretty much far right.

What makes them Far Right. Are their policies or values somehow extreme? Please, be specific.

 

[PoetPhilosopher]

What makes them Far Right. Are their policies or values somehow extreme? Please, be specific.

Sorry.

Okay I'll try to describe it in my own words:

More authoritarian than conservatives. Listens to Fox News. Sees legitimacy in conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones. Has some distrust of science and sometimes a strong distrust of global warming. Likes to create their own version of news stories inserting alternative "what-ifs".

 

[Salty Booger]

Okay I'll try to describe it in my own words:

I believe any entity beholden to money is corruptible. I recently worked a job where Politics and Religion were off limits as topics of discussion at the workplace.

Alex Jones

His online presence was wiped clean within a couple days, multiple sites. Sure, I think he is a nut, but I wouldn't censor him.

Has some distrust of science

They brought us the wonders of the atomic bomb and nuclear waste...

and sometimes a strong distrust of global warming

Assuming all scientists are in agreement?

Likes to create their own version of news stories inserting alternative

When in Rome?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

The problem is the actual leftists in the US don't have representation. The overton window is so shifted to the right that people in the US think people like Bernie is 'extreme left' when the issues he votes on are fairly bog standard both left and right in most wealthy nations. People in Japan or Canada or Scandanavia or Australia don't consider Socialized medicine, for example, a left vs right issue. Ditto things like gay marriage.
This has created a severely warped mindset on what 'the left' means in the US. And allowed for a lot more extreme right to be seen as the norm.

 

[Stevicus]

If the Left side of politics is fractured, in your opinion, who do you blame? The most vocal and most active around here has been these characters.

Perhaps you believe it is a whole. From my perspective it is terribly confusing, so much so that their own candidates don't know how to manage their own constituents.

Your thoughts?

I think the Left overall is a rather large tent with various factions, some of which are more moderate than others. Some believe in working within the system and remaining lawful, while some apparently do not. I'm not sure if "fractured" is the term I would use, but the Left has had a history of infighting and dissension from among their own ranks. But they still keep plugging along.

 

[Salty Booger]

I think the Left overall is a rather large tent with various factions, some of which are more moderate than others. Some believe in working within the system and remaining lawful, while some apparently do not. I'm not sure if "fractured" is the term I would use, but the Left has had a history of infighting and dissension from among their own ranks. But they still keep plugging along.

Do you think it will show in this coming election?

 

[crossfire]

Please explain. Who are these people in the streets?

Anti-fascists.