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Is the "crcifixion" just a metaphor?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by syncretic, May 9, 2014.

  1. syncretic

    syncretic Veteran Member

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    The crucifixion part of the NT always seemed slightly sketchy to me, and the "narrative ends quickly..is the crucifixion merely a convenient way to end the story? Is it just saying ,Jesus left'... /went to india or whatever/..

    Any opinions on this?
     
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  2. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Hi.....

    The tales of Jesus surviving and travelling to different places do deserve consideration:-
    1. Jesus travelled to Gaul with Mary of Magdala and they had a child, a daughter.
    2. Jesus travelling to Kashmir where he died.
    3. Jesus travelling to Cornwall with Joseph of Arimathea.
    .......and maybe others.

    After all, the people might have saved Jesus when they appealed to Pilate to pardon and release Jesus, Son of God (Jesus Bar Abba). I realise that BarAbba means 'son of the Father', but to the Galileans it may well have meant 'Son of God'.

    ....... or Joseph of Arimathea could have taken a live Jesus down from the cross, after only six hours, whereas it could often take three days to die in crucifixion.

    So your point is worth much consideration.
     
  3. syncretic

    syncretic Veteran Member

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    Ah, I see, thanks.
     
  4. outhouse

    outhouse Atheistically

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    By who? Not any credible scholars or historians.


    Romans were masters at butchering people.

    His crucifixion and baptism are said to be historical facts about his life.
     
  5. syncretic

    syncretic Veteran Member

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    So you're merely picking and choosing what to believe, and what not to believe, to fit your own narrative?:p


    okayyyyyyyyyy....thanks for responding.:)
     
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  6. oldbadger

    oldbadger Skanky Old Mongrel!

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    Please name a credible scholar or historian.
    That is, one whom you believe in, as in 'credible'.
     
  7. Lyndale

    Lyndale Forgiven

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    What makes them "credible"?

    :shrug:
     
  8. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna

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    Crucifixion is an old archetype for self-sacrifice of the false ego and rebirth into greater spiritual knowledge and is found in various religions. Yes, it's just a metaphor. I'm not convinced that Jesus actually existed and I find that his story is best viewed as an allegory for spiritual ascension to Christhood.
     
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  9. psychoslice

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    Yes for me it deffently is a metaphor, to die to our old self and be renewed to our true self the Christ, Buddha or whatever name you like, the body nailed to the cross is sort of nailing all of our senses as a mind body organism, so that we can be born again and renewened to our true inner self. For too long now many have lived a life of guilt, believing they were responsable for the death of Jesus, this isn't how true religion should be, everything in scripture points to us, its not really the story of Jesus, its our own personal story.
     
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  10. Lyndale

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  11. steeltoes

    steeltoes Junior member

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    They have to share in the same beliefs as the claimant.
     
  12. Lyndale

    Lyndale Forgiven

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    So simply put.

    Evil believes evil.

    Good believes good.
     
  13. icehorse

    icehorse Well-Known Member
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    How about recognizing that the way Christians view the crucifixion is an even more barbaric twist on the already barbaric, immoral idea of scapegoating?
     
  14. outhouse

    outhouse Atheistically

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    You hold the minority view. There really is no credible backing to jesus mythicist.


    Meanwhile historians and scholars as a whole follow my view listed here as common knowledge.

    Arguements from ignorance hold little appeal to me.

    MY VIEW

    Historical Jesus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Despite divergent scholarly opinions on the construction of portraits of the historical Jesus, almost all modern scholars consider his baptism and crucifixion to be historical facts


    Most contemporary scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed, and most biblical scholars and classical historians see the theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted


    YOUR VIEW


    Although a very small number of modern scholars argue that Jesus never existed, that view is a distinct minority and virtually all scholars consider theories that Jesus' existence was a Christian invention as implausible
     
  15. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna

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    Blah blah blah. That's nice. :rolleyes:
     
  16. outhouse

    outhouse Atheistically

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    I asked you the questions.
     
  17. syncretic

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    You've already stated your opinion, supplied the usual 'link' ...blah blah blah that supports your viewpoint, so no reason to continiually argue on my thread,,, aside from the fact that my OP isn't saying that jesus never existed...your strawman arguments aren't appropriate for this discussion.
     
  18. Ingledsva

    Ingledsva HEATHEN ALASKAN

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    Yep, I also think that is why the picture of the two thieves that comes down to us, - is of one up, and one down, - descending and ascending.



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  19. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna

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    Mmhmm. Christianity is best viewed as an esoteric path.

    Esoteric Christianity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  20. steeltoes

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    At the beginning of Acts of the Apostles Jesus ascends up into the heavens where we suppose He continues to do good not unlike the good ol' cowboy that rides off into the sunset.