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Featured Is the Bible Trustworthy?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by thomas t, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    We've all heard this history a thousand times
    in various versions.

    So freaking what?
     
  2. cOLTER

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    We will all discover in the next life that so much of what we thought was important in this life isn't important at all. The details of our belief wasn't important, faith was.
     
  3. Audie

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    Those old timers were ignorant and superstitious, they'd believe anything.
     
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  4. Jayhawker Soule

    Jayhawker Soule <yawn> ignore </yawn>
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    How convenient.
     
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  5. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

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    That is possible, I suppose, as is that I will be hit by lightning justvas I win the lottery.

    There is zero evidence, though, for the belief you describe so, I personally would hesitate to state it as fact, as I would be with anything else
    that is evidence -free.

    I don't consider it intellectually honest to do otherwise.
     
  6. Audie

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    More so even than is immediately apparent.
     
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    The answer is that it all should be considered ideological literature and valued accordingly. If we want to learn about history, there are many book intended to help us do that. If we want to be told what to do and think by God, we have to look within, because human dictators abound, and cannot be trusted.
     
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  8. MikeF

    MikeF Proponent of RAEism
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    I think this is a cogent acknowledgement of our human fallibility. It is for these reasons, and more, that make the OP a valid question. I would say that the problem lies in whether a line can or should be drawn around some ideas that shield and protect them from evaluation, or whether any idea or concept can be subjected to reasoned and rational skepticism.

    I, for one, take the latter position.
     
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    The idea is that a fragment of God literally lives within you. You are supposed to be finding a relationship with God on your own, not through my experience or a ready-made religion.
     
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  10. Audie

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    I know the idea.


    But as there's no reason to believe
    that, I don't
     
  11. MikeF

    MikeF Proponent of RAEism
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    I would say we must explicitly not look inward and decide what feels right to each of us as individuals. We must all acknowledge we are inherently fallible. We can hold false beliefs, draw erroneous conclusions, engage in self-deception, and in rare instances be clinically delusional.

    It is for these very reasons that those who wish to discern fact from subjective illusion abandon classic Philosophy as a valid knowledge pursuit and instead embrace the principles and standards of science. This is the only means we have at our disposal to mitigate human fallibility and get to what is real.
     
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    99% of "Bible contradictions" are resolved simply by 1) looking at preceding or following verses for context or 2) understanding the historical/actual/physical context. I guarantee the answer to this one is at: Bible Questions Answered | GotQuestions.org - I recommend people look there and consider what is laid out before posting any "contradictions" here at RF.

    Thanks.
     
  13. Left Coast

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    Why? I don't want you to know I'm controlling your mind, I hid the evidence.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    Ok. Here’s The deal:

    Matthew’s intent is to argue for his community of anointed-believers as the true Israel. Therefore, he intentionally adds in these women to his genealogy to show that Jesus was NOT the Jewish Messiah — and that the Jews were WRONG about who and what the Messiah was supposed to be. He points to the Davidic line, but ALSO shows how that line cannot produce the Jewish idea of a Messiah.

    Additionally, Matthew lifts up outcasts as progenitors, thereby supporting the idea that Jesus himself was an outcast. This separates the Messiah from Israel and helps to establish the Christian movement as wholly separate from the Judaic religious authorities and power base. Jesus is NOT the Judaic Messiah. Jesus is the TRUE Messiah — one of “the least.” And THAT’S the nature of God’s imperial rule: humility — not military power.

    That’s why Matthew includes these women, and that’s why Matthew’s genealogy is a wholly different list from that of Luke.
     
  15. thomas t

    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    if somebody is controlling me... my actual behavior changes. This change may count as evidence...
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    See post #134
     
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    No no, I've been controlling you all your life. You don't know the difference.
     
  18. Jayhawker Soule

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    Rather than ask
    • Is the Bible trustworthy?
    it would be better to ask
    • Is my acceptance criteria trustworthy?
    and then be exceedingly cautious when pondering the answer.
     
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    Mark -
    1. Jesus eats the Passover meal (Thursday night) and is crucified the following morning.
    2. Jesus is nailed to the cross at nine in the morning

    John -
    1. Jesus does not eat the Passover meal but is crucified on the day before the Passover meal was to be eaten.
    Moreover,
    2. John, he is not condemned until noon, and then he is taken out and crucified.

    How will you reconcile that by reading the immediate context like you said?
     
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  20. Audie

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    I know the idea i just don't believe it.
    Full many a bible-interpreter knows
    more science than any researchers on earth-
    and does it without a minute of study!
     
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