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Featured Is the Bible Trustworthy?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by thomas t, Jan 4, 2021.

  1. 9-10ths_Penguin

    9-10ths_Penguin 1/10 Subway Stalinist
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    I'll leave it to our Jewish members to tell you what they think of your insinuation that the Messiah can't be descended from King David.
     
  2. loverofhumanity

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    So?
     
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    Back at ya.
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    That’s not the insinuation of the inclusion of the wife of Uriah.
     
  5. Sunstone

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    WOW! You mean to say Jesus knew Jim Morrison!! There may be more to this Christianity than I ever imagined. I going to start reading the Bible!
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    YES!! Break on through to the other side!
     
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    So the Biblical authors knew everything. I can accept that. I once knew everything too. I was much younger then. Did the authors write anything when they got older?
     
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    Jesus begins as a baby story.

    Not O God earth mass. Not maths O imposed to remove energy out of God mass.

    Science origin O for machine.

    Science is a coercive liar.

    O baby male self from an ovary. Not from God.

    Origin old quotes reason garden body owned the eviction.

    Theme.
    Thesis. Why it occurred to an equal human parent adult body......humans.

    Is that information too difficult to assess as information?

    No says the scientific coercer I want to false preach it.

    A human baby is born by human sex.

    Argument...it was magic.
    Magic.
    Magi.
    Three men.

    Men adult living males.

    Saw phenomena returned wandering star. Followed it.

    In astral science cosmology one philosophy star watching data was real to the study.

    But don't tell real human observations because it is a secret to tell the truth.
     
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    No, that's the implication of your insinuation about the other three people you referred to.

    You pointed out four people who are supposedly unfit to be ancestors of the Messiah. Well, three of the four are also listed as ancestors of David... and therefore also of all of David's descendants.
     
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    and the dialog of the crucifixion is also contrary

    but that doesn't mean it didn't happen
     
  11. rational experiences

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    Secrets.
    Science meanings amongst group status.
    Scientists.

    Special language. Initiation to a group state. Believers.

    D AVI D. Phi teachings.

    Scientists.

    In the past Moses event. Life harmed water loss X mass off ground in temple pyramid nuclear cause. Ground fission.

    Life sacrificed. Natural desert dweller DNA changed as told.

    Then Hebrew DNA culture emerged as new sciences temple pyramid.

    Egyptian history changed as DNA families and status.

    New DNA bloodline emerged due to Phi fallout conditions.

    New language.
    New way to infer science origin to Egyptian. Now Hebrew Israel knowledge.

    Inherited science caused history.
     
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    Micah 5:2 says that the Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. Isaiah 7:14 mentions Mary being a virgin. Psalm 22 mentions that the Messiah would die by crucifixion, and Isaiah 53:9 mentions Jesus being buried in a rich man's tomb. Only Jesus fulfilled all of those prophecies before 70 AD, the year that the second temple was destroyed.
     
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    @Moses_UK ......... you asked......:-
    I might......... if the exam was crank as well, I might just put down answers that the examiners thought were right. I can tell of several examples about that.
    Ah ha! You weren't going to wait for my answer anyway! Imagine being governed by folks who tell you what you think, what you want........ *shivers*
    There you go again, telling more I would do. That's a bit manipulative isn't it?
    Whose society? The UK's? The UK is mostly secular these days.
    And that........ shows me how you might handle any who disagree with you.
    Off to the mental hospital, eh?
    Now that's really frightening.
     
  14. PruePhillip

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    Inaccurate? As say compared to the Zeus on Mount Olympus? Or the legendary Rainbow Serpent?
    Not always, but generally speaking, where you CAN verify something with biblical history - usually
    you:
    1 - do verify it
    2 - or cannot disprove it.
    3 - it feels plausible

    by way of example:

    1 - there really was a King David
    2 - Solomon built the first temple
    3 - Moses left Egypt during the times of the great migrations during the Bronze Age collapse, and
    spent 38 or the 40 years at a place called Kadesh.
     
  15. PruePhillip

    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    True, but the instruction given in the Gospels (ie Matt 5,6,7) is quite precise - that most religions
    honor Jesus' example and teaching in the breach doesn't alter the instructions he gave.
     
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    You can add another 20 or even 30 pages of what is accurate and it still has absolutely nothing to do with the inaccuracies.
     
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    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    If someone replies to questions without providing a truthfull picture, even if they could... I wouldn't trust them.
    Also, it's a matter of responsibilities.
    If someone wants to inform... but does not meet their resonsibility to stick to the truth as good as they can, it's a lack of responsible behavior, IMO.
    That's my take, at least.
     
  18. PruePhillip

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    True. And with 'inaccuracies" we also need to figure out - is the bible talking literally or symbolically?
    I take the 'six days' of creation to be symbolic, for instance, and the sequence of events of the stages
    of 'creation' to be literal and accurate.
     
  19. thomas t

    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    The difference is that in the former case one could expect to see evidence, as I see it.

    no, I stay with my opinion, Jairus contradicted himself, not Bible in citing him.

    So, this is a case of Jesus changing his mind in a minor issue, I think.
    There is nothing you could use to back up this claim, I guess. And you didn't present any substanciation for the bolded claim.
    I don't think the lineages as presented in Matthew and Luke are irreconcilable.
    The one genealogy is focussed on real fathership, where as the other presented the biological lineage.
    There are biological fathers that don't even meet their offspring, sadly.
    Preexistence does not rule out incarnation.
    The books were written in seperate times by seperate authors who had different intentions in their minds... Yet the Bible books do not contradict themselves, as I see it.
     
  20. thomas t

    thomas t non-denominational Christian

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    that's not advice.
     
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