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Featured Is the Bible God's Word?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Rajagopalanchandu, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. area28

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    Its more like a story written by men trying to find God
     
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    The Bible stated that the earth was a sphere. You're wrong in assuming the flat earth came from the Bible. Geocentrism is not what the Bible says, but what people believed until Copernicus (another Christian scientist) dispelled that theory. Thus, you are wrong twice:rolleyes:.
     
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    >>S: Nice non sequitur.<<

    One can't destroy the truth, so how is that a non sequitur?
     
  4. Skwim

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    Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. In your understanding exactly what is the "word of god"?

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  5. QuestioningMind

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    To begin with, if I were an all powerful creator God who had an important message that I needed to have conveyed to all of humanity over many centuries, I would NOT pass my WORD on by whispering it into the ears of bronze age shepherds in one tiny corner of the world, which would eventually be written down in a language that no one will speak or read a couple thousand years later. I wouldn't have written it in the same fashion as all of the other religious texts produced by supposedly 'false' gods. I would'n't have written it in a manner that can be interpreted in so many different ways that you'd eventually have 1000's of different sects who follow the same book, but can't agree on how it should be interpreted.

    The God of the bible basically decided to use the game of telephone to spread His WORD. Where one generation whispers the 'message' into the ears of the next generation over many centuries. Anyone who's ever played the game of telephone knows that by the time the 'message' gets passed along through the entire circle, the 'message' has become so garbled that it doesn't resemble the original message in the least. For anyone who truly wanted His message to be understood, it's a horribly ineffective means of communication.
     
  6. WalterTrull

    WalterTrull Godfella

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    I see God as the substance of the universe, the word of God as the creating and motivating force of the universe.
     
  7. Skwim

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    Chapter and verse please.

    Thank you.


    I never said it did, only that it implies the same. None of the following circumstances could arise if the earth wasn't flat.

    The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth. - Daniel 4:11

    It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. - Isaiah 40:22

    Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them. - Matthew 4:8

    And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth. - Acts 10:11

    I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me. - Acts 11:5

    And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. - Revelation 7:1

    And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. - Revelation 20:8


    Sure it does. And why wouldn't Bible believing people believe in geocentrism up until Copernicus set them straight if they didn't believe this is exactly what the Bible said? They had to be set straight because the Bible had misled them.

    And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day. - Joshua 10:13

    4Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them he has set a tent for the sun, 5 which comes out like a bridegroom leaving his chamber, and, like a strong man, runs its course with joy. 6 Its rising is from the end of the heavens,
    and its circuit to the end of them, and there is nothing hidden from its heat. - Psalm 19:4-6



    5 He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. - Psalm 104:5



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  8. Skwim

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    Because your opinion that the Bible is indestructible has nothing to do with the claim that the Bible is god's word.

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  9. 12jtartar

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    Raja...,
    The Bible is, indeed God’s word!!!
    Now, allow me to explain why I say this. It is the Message from God The Creator to mankind.
    Of course, the exact words in an English Bible are not the Hebrew, or Aramaic, or Greek words that were in the Original Autographs. In fact there are several words in Hebrew and Aramaic that there is no exact word or even words that state the exact meaning, but by using a few more words, the meaning is very close. Remember also, the Bible has been translated into over 2,000 different languages, each having different words for the same thing, or meaning.
    This is where Bible translators are invaluable, because they study the languages of the past, which, like English, is very different than they were when the Bible books were written.
    One thing that makes the Bible miraculous is, it was written by about 40, different men over a period of about 1,600 years, and it is still more accurate than new books, does not disagree with itself, and, in spite of the efforts of many men is still here, and more influential than any book in all of history.
    The Bible tells things that no human alive at the time, knew, such as the shape of the earth, Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:7, 10. The Bible tells the order of the creation, which even Biologists agree that it is accurate.
    Probably the most outstanding single truth is, the many, many, Prophecies written in the Bible, that all were fulfilled exactly on the time written beforehand. Some of the Prophecies were so detailed that some even tried to make people believe that the Prophecies were actually written after the Prophecy came true, such as the prophecy about the first coming of Jesus, which fulfilled scores of Prophecies, Daniel 9:24-27.
    Almost all of Daniel is Prophecy, one of which tells bout the end of God’s rule on earth, through the sitting Kings, especially David and Solomon. The end of the Theocracy on earth started on 607BCE and lasted until Jesus was installed as King in 1914. This was written in Daniel 4:9-25. This Prophecy had two fulfillments, like many Prophecies, first about Nebuchadnezzar, then about the Kingdom of God over the earth. The Kingdom over earth stopped on 607 BCE when Nebuchadnezzar destroyed Jerusalem and the Great Temple that Solomon built, and lasted u til Jesus was installed as King in 1914. At the time Jesus received the Kingdom there would be WAR, because Jesus would first remove Satan and his demons from, throwing them down to earth. Think, when did this world take the biggest turn for the worst? It was 1914, WW1, and Wars and every other problem you can think of, just as Jesus said would be, just before he comes back to earth. In fact Jesus gave a composit sign, consisting of 39 signs that would be happening at the same generation, when he would arrive, Psalms 110:1-6, Matthew 24:almost all, Luke 21 starting at verse 6, Mark 13. It makes no difference to God how long the Prophecy stretches out, because He is immortal, King of Eternity, 1Timothy 1:17.
    There is no other Book compared to the Bible. Another thing that makes the Bible unique is; the wise and intellectual one cannot understand it, but babes CAN, Luke 10:21. Only people whose HEART is right toward God can receive His Holy Spirit, which helps honest hearted ones understand, even the deep things of God, 1Corinthians 2:10. Agape!!!
     
  10. RedDragon94

    RedDragon94 Love everyone, meditate often

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    I assume you have heard that the Bible is inspired by God according to Scripture.

    I think a person can inspire or initiate something without it being necessarily their words, sometimes it's their actions that inspire something.

    You inspired this conversation, but you haven't written every quote in this thread (because that would be weird). The Bible is a written witness of the works and words of God, but not all of it is God's word.

    For instance, Saul consulted a medium right before he died. Did God inspire that situation? I don't think so. But God did inspire someone to write about it.
     
  11. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    I don't know how that designation got started. I'm guessing it's because of the storylines throughout the various books.

    To put it more directly it's clear that God didn't write it. It was made up and written by people from antiquity.
     
  12. anonymous9887

    anonymous9887 bible reader

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    I am going to address the 1st potion on morality. BTW thanks for your reply I thought nobody would reply, I am looking forward to having a respectful discussion.
    1. As far as turning the other cheek, I ask my self what is the principal involved here? The whole purpose of this is to emphasize non violence. When Jesus was struck he asked why he was struck, but he did not strike back in return. Then you would have to ask yourself also why did you remain there where you saw things were getting heated that led to someone striking you. So we have the rest of the bible to apply so I would have to ask what got you struck. Then I would ask why didn't you obey proverbs 27:12 the shrewd person sees the danger and conceals himself but the inexperienced keep right on going and suffer the consequences. So it would seem dumb to apply that bible principal by itself, but considering the bible also tells us to avoid breaking the peace, and how to avoid some really negative situations, we must accept the entire word of god

    2. As for the casting out devils etc... I personally do not believe that this writing is original, because the oldest manuscripts we have closest to the originals do not contain the longer ending of mark.

    3. Imagine if everyone in the world obeyed these principals
    - Hebrews 13:18 conduct ourselves honestly in all things
    - Matthew 22:39 love your neighbor as yourself
    - Romans 12:18 be peaceable with all men
    - Colossians 3:13 forgiving one another freely
    - Acts 10:34-35 Racial harmony
    - Genesis 2:15 to care for the earth
    - Colossians 3:23 work whole souled at your job

    And there are so many other principals that we can apply from the bible but if everyone followed these principals the world would be a better place. You and many others might say this is common sense, but if it is so common how come the vast majority of people on this earth will violate 1 or more of these?

    Thank you for your reply looking forward to hearing from you again!
     
  13. ronandcarol

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    Is the Bible God's Word?
    Every word of scripture is God breathed, suitable for training, and certainly commendable for believing. The prophets of old as well as the Apostles and Moses and King David and King Solomon, and many more were all inspired by Go as to what to record and write down for our use today.
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  14. anonymous9887

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    So I have a few questions:
    1. What is the important message do you think?
    2. Do you think if there is a creator he has a reason as to why he designed it the way he did?

    I highly respect your concern, because you are causing me to question my faith which I like. You have really cause me to really consider this question.
    A. I would say god's word was progressive. God is giving us these good revelations as we wait as time goes by so that man can see that mankind is not capable of directing their own step successfully. Jeremiah 10:23. But time was required to prove this point.
    B. Time was also required for god to show the mankind that he is trustworthy and his word was also.
    C. the reason that I believe that god designed his word in these different languages is because this would show who is truly interested in really knowing what god has to say. who really wants to put in that effort to demonstrate their love for the creator. Its a given that todays research on ancient text has become a lot easier but still a very broad research non the less.
    D. god designed his word in a way that only people with the right heart condition would be able to understand, So if a denomination does not teach the truth its because they do not have the right heart condition
    E. I dont think it is quite accurate to call the bible a telephone game actually. So gods message was documented by an inspired prophet. This original copy was copied thousands of times by different people they were copying from the original. So if a person added his own thoughts into his copy what are the odds that all 999 copies would have that unique addition? Slim to none. As for the telephone game would be like a prophet documenting, he gives the original to a person to copy and then the person gives the copy to the next person and so on. So instead of their just being one line of the manuscript tradition there are many.
     
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    "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in." Isaiah 40:22

    You got one listed, but looking at it like the Pharisees.

    “And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Genesis 1:2


    This verse showed that it was sphere because water will run off on a flat surface.

    "He stretches out the north over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing." Job 26:7

    Like a sphere.

    Okay, the Bible doesn't state the earth is a sphere exactly, but it is implied that it is.

    What you said was flat earth theory. What is that? Is it this ha ha? I saw one guy present flat earth argumets and this gif on youtube and the commenters believed in a flat earth. For a while anyway.

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    You're committing a special case or special pleading fallacy. The populace, not just Christians, believed in Ptolomeic astronomy and it taught the geocentric model with circular orbits. I have to admit that Christians back then were part of a group to not readily accept what Copernicus and Kepler discovered.
     
  16. Buddha Dharma

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    It is also implied in Joshua that the earth is the center of the universe. Joshua 10:13

    Why should the Bible be treated like a science book? Even by Christians?
     
  17. savagewind

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    I think that the Bible is a mystery that if you keep at it it will lead you to the true words of God. Is it the word of God? I understand that Christ is the word of God. There are not two. There can't be! If there are two like they say there are two then peace is impossible. It just is! Do the math.
     
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    I have actually seen evangelicals call the Bible itself 'God' o_O

    Like the actual bound in leather book
     
  19. savagewind

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    I don't doubt it. It is so sad that it goes all the way around to funny.
     
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    Many people trust that the Bible is almost as good as God. I want to go back to my own place. I sure hope I have one. Not here!
     
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