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Featured Is the Bible clear about who will inherit the Kingdom of God?

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by Muffled, Aug 5, 2017.

  1. Muffled

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    Most Christians believe that a person must be saved to make it into the Kingdom of God. Is that true and only that?

    Ro 10:9 because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved:

    But what of those who do all that but don't know Jesus?

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Then we have people who still have a problem with sin. What about them.

    Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    Kingdom of God goes to the "Son of Man".

    "Daniel 7
    13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."
     
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    Perhaps calling upon the name of the Lord is not a matter of talk. Perhaps that is a figure of speech for something very involved. The idea of salvation through belief is from Luther, and before him I don't know if there is any record of such an idea. The records seem to indicate that his ideas about belief and salvation are perhaps an innovation on his part. Romans is interesting but its not a text but is a letter to an already converted group.

    Keep in mind he is speaking to Jews and to the first twelve apostles. This message gets carried by the twelve apostles to the various synagogues throughout the known world. It has a meaning in a Jewish context. Assume Jews are at this time active in all three of the above: prophesying, casting out demons and doing mighty works. This could mean any of several things. Lets say it means they are protesting evil, playing pacifying music to drive out demons and creating vital institutions -- well Jesus says that is fine, but if they overlook the needs of the poor then Jesus is not impressed. However if they pay attention to the poor, to the weak then Jesus considers them to be faithful to himself regardless of whether they confess him to be a king or not. He is not concerned about talk when it comes to them.

    Again he's talking to Jews, and so Jesus is not telling gentiles to eat kosher and wear tassels etc etc etc.
     
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    Exactly
     
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    Personally, I think moral actions are far more important than politically-correct beliefs.
     
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    The Bible even says that although it is easy to find passages to prove whatever one's viewpoint is.
     
  7. herushura

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    'Kingdom of God' in the New Testament is clearly the Roman Empire, that was founded by Julius Caesar ( Christ II) , were-as the Old Testament , it was the Persian Empire, founded by Cyrus ( Christ I)
     
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    John 3:36

    It is established fact in Jesus adherence that belief is necessary in Salvation.
     
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    John 3:36-7.
    The Father loves the Son and has placed all things in His hands Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on them

    Coinciding this with the 1st Century, they was an Imperial Cult based on Julius Caesar & Augustus Caesar, known as 'Divus Iulius' (θεός) and 'Divus Filius' (υἱοῦ θεοῦ).

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    God - Son of God ( What does the Greek say next to Caesar on the Left)

    This cult was prominent in Ephesus, Corinth, Philippi and Galatia, were Flamen Paul was addressing Letters to.

    Book of John begins to make sense, the name 'John' derives from Latin 'Ivvenis' mean young, The Gospel, the one of John, which contains the claim of the Son that all that is of the Father belongs to him only, originates from Octavianus Augustus, who, using brute force, asserted himself as son and sole heir of Caesar, whom he had elevated to godhead.

    It is clear from the New Testament, it's true God is Julius Caesar , the Second coming of Cyrus , the Messiah ( Isaiah 45:1).
     
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    Those of Revelation 20:6; 5:9-10; 2:10 I find are saved (delivered/rescued) because they are resurrected to heaven.
    They are like the ones of Luke 22:28-30 who will reign with Jesus over Earth for a thousand years.

    That does Not mean others aren't saved (delivered /rescued) because Jesus' ransom covers others who are dead.
    As Romans 6:7,23 says that death is the price tag that sin pays, so their death frees or acquits their sins.
    However, at Matthew 20:28 it says Jesus' ransom covers MANY and does Not say all. That is because those who commit the unforgivable sin are never forgiven according to Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6.

    As far as those of us still alive on Earth at the soon coming ' time of separation ' on Earth at Matthew 25:31-33,37 we can remain alive on Earth, and continue to live on Earth (saved/ delivered/ rescued) right through the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 into calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth begins. So, we should all strive to be 'faithful in least' whether called to heaven or to live forever on Earth.

    1 ] So, some are saved (delivered/rescued) via resurrection to heaven.
    2 ] The majority of the dead are saved (delivered/rescued) via resurrection back to happy-and-healthy life on Earth during Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth,
    3 ] and the living on Earth can be saved (delivered /rescued) when Jesus takes the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 ridding the Earth of wickedness as also mentioned at Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22
     
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    At the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on Earth according to Matthew 25:31-33,37 I find the figurative haughty ' goats ' are Not saved (Not delivered /rescued) because they can be like the ones of Matthew 7:21-23 who call Jesus as Lord, but prove false to him.

    Before Jesus takes the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16 mankind will have the opportunity to be on Jesus' side.
     
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    If the kingdom of God (Daniel 2:44) in the NT is the Roman empire, then why did Jesus teach to pray for the the kingdom to COME (thy kingdom COME). Jesus and his 1st-century followers were neutral in the affairs of the world, affairs of the Romans, and they did Not even get involved in the issues of the day between the Jews verses the Romans, but remained politically neutral.

    In the picture of the HUGE statue of Daniel chapter 2:
    Ancient Babylon proved to be the statue's head of Gold.
    Medo-Persia proved to be the parts made of Silver.
    Greece proved to be the parts made of Copper.
    Rome was the Iron part in the first century.
    After Rome, came Great Britain followed by the U.S. in a mixture of Iron and Clay. ( Iron and Clay do Not mix )
    So, the statue's feet and toes are a mixture of Iron and clay which shows we are at the statue's weakest spot.
    We are at the time of the toes, or more like we are now at the 'time of the toenails ' of Daniel 2:41-43.
     
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    Please take each verse that mentions the kingdom of God and prove your point. In both the OT and NT.

    Don't bother, you can't. What you have said is ludicrous or trolling.
     
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    From Luke 18

    18A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

    19“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’a

    21“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

    22When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

    23When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy. 24Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! 25Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

    26Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?”

    27Jesus replied, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

    28Peter said to him, “We have left all we had to follow you!”

    29“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God 30will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
     
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    You quote Daniel 2:44 without reading it.

    Daniel 2:44
    And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom

    It says, 'God will set up a Kingdom' for 'These Kings' , obviously referring to the Persian Kings

    Ezra 1:2
    Thus saith Cyrus king of Persia, The LORD God of heaven hath given me all the kingdoms of the earth; and he hath charged me to build him an house at Jerusalem, which is in Judah.

    Daniel 9:25
    Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah

    King Cyrus was known as 'The King of Four Quarters' and it is the origin of the phrase in Isaiah, representing the four cardinal countries of Babylon, this is the origin of the Four Beasts envisioned in Daniel 7.

    Isaiah 45:1
    And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth
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    Cyrus Cylinder ( written 539 BCE)
    I am Cyrus, king of the world, great king, mighty king, king of Babylon, king of Sumer and Akkad, king of the four quarters.
     
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    Medo-Persia is the 'Silver' part of the HUGE statue of Daniel 2:32
    Greece proved to be the Copper or Brass part of the statue.
    Rome proved to be the Iron part.
    We are at the Iron mixed with Clay part of Daniel 2:41-43 which is Not Persian Kings.
    So, in the days of ' these kings ' (powers that now be) is showing this system is now on its last legs ready to collapse.
    Other powers came after Persia.
    According to Luke 1:31-33 God did Not appoint a former Persian King, but God appointed Jesus to be King of God's Kingdom government. His kingdom or government will have No end. God's kingdom is the ' stone ' of Daniel 2:34-35,45. That stone hits and brings down that HUGE political image. How does Daniel 2:44 end.
     
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    In harmony with Matthew 19:29 just to be clear, Luke is Not talking about deserting loved ones, but talking about taking up missionary service. Also, I find that KJV took the liberty and added the word ' wife ' Jesus did Not include ' wife' as the Greek Interlinear shows. Leaving home and lands (homeland) and family in order to expand service to God.
     
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    Noted.
     
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    You need to understand that Jesus was teaching those under the Old Testament to pray for the Kingdom to come, not for us. Jesus also said,

    Matthew 16:28 (ESV Strong's) 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

    Mark 9:1 (ESV Strong's) 1 And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”

    Luke 9:27 (ESV Strong's) 27 But I tell you truly, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God.”

    Are there still some who were there still alive? No, they're all dead, right? The Kingdom came on Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was given. Christians since Pentecost aren't supposed to pray for the Kingdom to come.
     
  20. Faithofchristian

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    If a person truly knows the bible, alot of what Christ Jesus gives are two folded.

    In other words, What Christ Jesus said in Matthew 7:21, Christ Jesus was speaking to those there, but also to those down thru the ages to come. To Christians also.and to those who would Repent of their sin and believe on Him.
    Notice in John 3:16 --"For God so loved the world, that He gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"

    Note the word ( whosoever ) This means, Anyone and Everyone.that comes to believe in Christ Jesus.
    Notice the words ( believeth in him.Christ Jesus) Now the question is? Now does the Atheists fit into this, Seeing that the Atheists do not believe in God nor the Son Christ Jesus?
    Therefore the Bible is very clear about who will inherit the kingdom of God.

    If you do not believe in God nor the Son Christ Jesus you will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and make the a lie" Rev 22:14-15

    Notice the tree of life, this Repsents Christ Jesus the Son.
    Notice the city, this being the New Jerusalem coming down from heaven.

    Notice "whoremongers" this being homosexualls. "Sorcerers" this being fortune tellers and in like manner.
    "Whosoever loveth and make the a lie" being those giving falsehoods, fables.denying God.those that make the word God into a lie. Atheists and anyone else. Nor two face hypocrites.
    Will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    The heading above ask "Is the bible clear about who will inherit the kingdom of God"

    The Bible is most definitely clear who will inherit the kingdom of God as you can see.
     
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